Brutality in Basic Training

This thread made me think about my basic training and I ended up doing some online searching about the place. It went a bit emotional... bitter sweet so to say.

Saw aerial pictures and can zoom in pretty good. It brings back memories.... good, bad, ugly. They weren't allowed to touch us but they still yelled, called us names and made us do physical exercises. Same in NCO school but I dropped out due to my m/c accident.

It's almost all torn down now... they closed it in 2013. Sad to see all them buildings gone. Unreal actually. I don't know why it gets me like it does... perhaps because it was my first real adult thing I did after moving out from home. I don't know. All I know is that I didn't live life to the fullest when I was young and my regrets keep stacking up...
 
My dad was at Army boot camp at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, in the mid-50s. He vividly remembered a boot in his platoon, after having been found at inspection with an uneven shave, being dry-shaved by his lieutenant while in formation.


I arrived at Ft. Sill with a big, bushy mustache. They didn't MAKE me dry shave but they did order me to get it off my face by first formation which amounted to the same thing. I marched around Ft. Sill for a week with a great big scab on my upper lip.

The most difficult part of joining the Army for me was that I was 22 years old and had been on my own four 4 years but once I joined I was automatically assumed to be immature and incapable of managing my own affairs. This continued until I became an NCO.

At my first duty station one soldier bounced a check and the First Sergeant ordered everyone in the Battery E4 and below to close their checking accounts. Several of those affected were paying car notes and the like by check, no exceptions. If you had a checking account you closed it. Several married soldiers immediately put their bank accounts in their wive's name that day.

When I moved off post it was determined that as an E4 I was incapable of evaluating for myself if an apartment was habitable and if my rent was fair. I wasn't permitted to sign the lease until a (younger) NCO inspected the apartment.
 
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I arrived at Ft. Sill with a big, bushy mustache. They didn't MAKE me dry shave but they did order me to get it off my face by first formation which amounted to the same thing. I marched around Ft. Sill for a week with a great big scab on my upper lip.

The army and their silly **** that doesn't matter what so ever. They treated us like human beings in Vietnam but like cur dogs back in the world.
 
I am a former United States Army Drill Sergeant. I was on the trail Jan 1997- Jan 99 at Fort Leonard Wood 3rd Training BDE, B Co 3-10 IN. Best two years of my 21 year Army Career. Some PVT's just needed a little extra motivation to get it right. BTW: The Marine's are Drill Instructors. DI's, The Army we are Drill Sergeants get it strait now drop and give me twenty.

Nice to meet you. I was in B 3/10 Infantry (Bull Dogs) from 81-83 when it was at Ft Polk. We had a Bulldog named Musket until someone messed with him and he latched on to his you no what
 
As with so many things military it depends on the where and the when. I have seen Fort Dix dismissed as the original "Camp Swampy", a country club, those of us who graduated from it would beg to differ.
 
!968 in USMC boot camp was unpleasant to say the least. The training was brutal and, yep, you got slapped around a little. The Corps had recently reduced the training from 12 weeks to 8 weeks and the pressure was on Drill Instructors to turn out good basically trained Marines. 52 years later, I still feel a rush of pride when The Marine Corps Hymn is played and the old vets, like me, snap to attention and honor our Corps and those who paid the ultimate price for freedom. Semper Fi is not a saying, it is a life lesson you carry forever.
 
February 1952 when I enlisted in the USAF I was 6'1" and weighed 165.
A little friend enlisted with me. He barely made the height requirement
which, I think, was 5'. But he only weighed a shade over 100 lbs.
They told him to go to the mess hall and eat all the bananas he could hold.
He got up to 105, which was the minimum allowed, and was accepted.

A humorous incident, that I posted also on the other thread, a young man
I knew wrote a letter home to his folks. He said "if I had a little bit higher
score on my test I could be an OCCIFER!"
 
If you were smart enough to understand what basic training was all about you would have no trouble. It wasn't meant to be personal, in fact the direct opposite. Boots that had trouble usually brought it on themselves.
In Military "stuff" goes down hill and DI is last on the chain.
 
Took basic training for the Army 1970 at Fort Dix in the middle of the summer. Guys would drop like flies braking legs and arms. DI's would just leave them there. Two DI's in my group looked like Sammy Davis and Smokey the Bear. I made the mistake of laughting at Smokey and paid the price. I only watch the basic training part of Full Metal Jacket for the reality. Remeny Was fantastic!
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"Don't call me sir, you #@%%%$#$, I work for my living" A Master Sgt. screamed at me right after I got out of boot camp. I was sent to his supply depot for a couple days on a work detail prior to the start of ITR (Infantry training regiment) I don't like being called Sir to this day.

I weren't no Occifer.

What is the most dangerous thing in the Marine Corps?

A second lieutenant with a map and compass.
 
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When I arrived at Reception at Ft. Sill there was one guy in our detachment who was an Army Brat. He knew all the right buttons to push (calling the NCOs sir and such) and he pushed them HARD. He ended up in a different training battalion and I never saw him again.
 
I grew up an Army brat, had 4 years of HS ROTC, and 3 semesters of Military Science in college before enlisting. I went through BCT as an E-4, which had its own set of challenges.

Before I left for basic, Dad gave me his best advice: "Don't volunteer for anything."

Two weeks in, the 1st Shirt addressed a morning formation, and asked if anyone could type. I was able to type 70 wpm on an IBM selectric, and didn't think there would be any downside, so I raised my hand.

As a result, I never peeled a spud or pulled KP. I did spend a couple of hours in the orderly room about 3 days a week typing up reports, orders, and other things. Mostly this was in the afternoon, and it kept me out of the heat of the day. I have never regretted that decision to disregard Dad's advice.
 
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Basic at Ft. Jackson, Jun-July-Aug 1964. Our battalion was a test bed for a new BCT methodology. As such, there were as many as eight Drill Sgts per platoon, more than half of them had CIBs, they all wore tan pith helmets, which I guess was a blessing compared to OD helmets in the blazing South Carolina sun, and we were the first to get pugil stick training ala the USMC. There was no physical abuse, such as striking or tripping, but there was intense physical training: a pre-dawn run, mass PT every day, sometimes twice a day, double time everywhere, in formation and on your own. After dinner, hand to hand workouts and pugil fights in the sandpits behind the barracks, low crawl workouts (right on the belly, scrape up your belt buckle, move like an alligator) that made you feel like your guts will spill out when you stood up.

Cleaning out the foul smelling, slimy grease pit off the end of the mess hall was a regular assignment for slackers, but only three incidents stood out for me.
1. - standing in formation, early in the cycle, Drill Sgt says "Anybody wanna smoke?" and some fool said "Yes Drill Sgt!"
Drill Sgt lit him up, and promptly put a galvanized bucket over the fool's head, and started yelling "Smoke, c'mon, you wanna smoke you ***, now ^&**^#@ smoke, I wanna see smoke!!!" and he puffed until he puked.
Nobody ever wanted a smoke after that.

2. - Sunday was supposedly a day off, but if you stayed around the barracks and tried for a nap, you'd for sure be on a work detail by 0900. With slick sleeves and a knob haircut, you'd be ID'ed as a trainee anywhere on post, and no matter where you went, you dare not lie down or immediate work detail would ensue.
Well, one fine Sunday morning, I go caught in barracks with a few other guys, Sgt says report to the mess hall with your entrenching tool. ????
We arrive, Sgt says we're going to erect another set of overhead horizontal ladders to get us all to chow faster. We all had to go thru the ladders before every meal, so a lengthy queue always happened. One thing I'll give the ladders; it really, really hardened your hands. I had rows of callouses mid finger, on my palm at base of fingers, and mid palm through the thumb web all the way across the palm to the outer edge.
Any how, we figger dig six holes 2-3 feet deep, set 8x8 posts, pour some concrete, piece of cake. Well, then the posts arrive. They were 16 feet long, the holes had to be 8 feet deep!! By dinner, we had them dug, but I was terrified of a cave-in in the sandy soil, way over my head with no shoring. Being so deep, the holes were huge, actually just two 16' long trenches.

3. - Our platoon leader's pet address to us was "You [guano]birds are this that and the other..." , nothing nice. He told us if "You gaunobirds" keep screwing up, you will get 'hurricane drill.'"
Recall that your footlocker at the base of the iron bunk was not for actual use, but for inspection display only purposes, with underwear rolled around toilet paper tubes precisely 6" long filling in the bottom, a never used razor, blades, tooth powder, soap bar, and a tooth brush neatly arranged, all same brands throughout the platoon, precisely measured and square on top of the precisely folded, white GI towel in the top tray.

It was a dark and stormy night, pouring down rain, when at 0100, the barrack lights came on, Drill Sgts banging night sticks on galvanized buckets, yelling "Fall out on the company street for Hurricane Drill, uniform of the day is skivvy shorts, combat boots and footlockers!"
Stumble around, fall out, don't know what to do with footlocker, more yelling...Ten hut... poart...footlocker... Rah shoulda.. footlocker... layef ...sholda... footlocka...Rah...shoulda...footlocka... prayasen... footlocka...port... footlocka...layeft faaa.. fard harch... double taiyem...harch ...pouring down rain... surprising how many lights are on around Fort Jackson at O-dark-thirty...after about twenty minutes, occasional crash of footlocker and cursing, back to barracks, another little manual of arms with footlockers, "Barracks inspectcheun - 0430... Fawl out!" There we were, exhausted, muddy, dripping wet, wondering how we're going to sort out this mess without trashing our immaculate barracks floor and latrine, readied for daily inspection the night before.

Answer - you don't sleep, and you hope yours is not the footlocker the Drill Sgt chooses in the morning inspection to lift the tray to find the wet display underwear underneath.

That was the same platoon leader who called us around him, in the middle of the afternoon in August in some sunburned field at Ft. Jackson, to tell us guanobirds that American ships had been fired on in the Gulf of Tonkin, that we were at war, and you guanobirds are gonna be the first to go to combat in Vietnam, maybe next month.
Sobering thought, but as hot and dirty as we were, we just wanted to get through the next day, one more day closer to getting out of Ft. Jackson and being a nobody, a knob-headed cipher of a trainee.
 
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My ex-brother-in-law, who was raised in Detroit, joined the army in the early 60's to avoid jail. During the self-defense training, the DI asked if anyone thought they could whip him. My BIL said yes, and lived up to his word. Unknown to the DI, my BIL not only had street training, he was a certified black belt in karate. Two days later, several DI's jumped him and repaid the butt-whooping. After graduating, they made him a DI... :rolleyes:


Even if you win, you lose.
 
Here's a kind of sensitive subject. I never was in the military. I've never gotten a straight answer face to face with anybody.

But I've been told that sometimes it's like prison: you have to fight to gain respect, keep what's yours.

Any truth in this?
 
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Here's a kind of sensitive subject. I never was in the military. I've never gotten a straight answer face to face with anybody.

But I've been told that sometimes it's like prison: you have to fight to gain respect, keep what's yours,

Any truth in this?

No. Not even close. The military is nothing like a prison (years ago did some engineering work in a couple prisons).
 
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You have to watch out for thieves, yes, and scammers and con artists. People who like to cite non-existent regulations and SOPs, bogus and made up traditions, etc. I was in the Army 1967-1971, I saw no fights.
 
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