Bug out plans redux

[ISCS Yoda]

There are many of these threads........prime example:

If things get bad and things get worse this is my plan. Please comment on my weapons and tell us yours​

I continue to have no idea what y'all are talking about. Unless you do not live in a large city, or you are on the outskirts of a large city, and/or you have your own little farm/ranch or friends way outside of town, and advance notice, etc., you're not going anywhere. If everyone tries to bug out for one reason or another the roads will be clogged, and the city or overall country will be a madhouse. My advice is to keep plenty of ammunition in your home, a good first aid kit, a supply of drinking water that will last for days and days, and a long-term, non-perishable food supply (which is easy to purchase online).

Your weapons choices are personal but whatever you choose should be relatively easy to maintain, you should have a decent set of cleaning materials for your weapons, and your ammunition should be readily available and, therefore, able to be traded to others for missing necessities that others might have.

Stay indoors and wait for the emergency to end. It will unless it's nuclear and then it doesn't matter, just bend over and kyagb.

Most of the foregoing applies to people in their own homes. It's much harder to store large quantities of emergency supplies in multi-family housing but a modicum of food and water and ammunition should be able to be stored somewhere.

Jus' sayin'...............

 

[Smoke]

Is there a reason you felt the need to start a whole new discussion rather than reply to the discussion already in progress?

 

[biku324]

It's a thread genre.

One only has to watch video of French civilians fleeing Nazis to know that getting on the road is no plan.

 

[Rule3]

I guess it depends of the circumstances. I have been in every major hurricane in Florida and live very close to the water.
The last two were disasters, which I could have gone somewhere.

There is no place to "bug out" Yes maybe go to a shelter but I just can't do that. Plus no guns allowed there.

Here is bugging out" in Florida, still gonna get hit by the storm and no place to stay.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

It's a thread genre.

One only has to watch video of French civilians fleeing Nazis to know that getting on the road is no plan.

The ones who stayed has 50/50 chance of rape and murder. Watch “UnBroken” - 2025 documentary on NetFlix. WWII and the father saved the youngest daughter because she was a child. The older daughter, slightly older was raped for two days and survived.

So complying is a Plan?

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Plus no guns allowed there.

Here is bugging out" in Florida, still gonna get hit by the storm and no place to stay.


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The snowbirds should have started sooner.

No Guns Allowed is a suggestion. Remember Katrina?

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Is there a reason you felt the need to start a whole new discussion rather than reply to the discussion already in progress?

Yes. I didn't like where the other thread was going and it was too long already.

So complying is a Plan?

Complying with what? Nobody is complying with anything. I'm just pointing out that as a general rule bugging out is a non-starter. For most folks there is no place to go. It doesn't matter what scenario you paint, weather, street riots, foreign invasion, until and unless your home is bombed out or otherwise blown away and you are turned into a refugee there is no place to go. Keep your weapons handy and, as the old saying goes, keep your ammunition dry, and have plenty of water and food on hand if you have the room. If you're in any kind of a city you are not getting out unless you're the lucky one and left first.

 

[biku324]

The ones who stayed has 50/50 chance of rape and murder. Watch “UnBroken” - 2025 documentary on NetFlix. WWII and the father saved the youngest daughter because she was a child. The older daughter, slightly older was raped for two days and survived.

So complying is a Plan?

Resisting at home is a plan. I spent a couple of years in Bosnia, where Serbs slaughtered Bosniaks and Croats they found away from their neighborhoods but had to fight to try (and fail) to break resistance of many of those who stayed put. Driving through Repblika Srpska today there are still yet enclaves of Bosniaks who wouldn't be dislodged.

 

[Bald1]

I think it depends on where you live and where you plan to go. In a perfect scenario I’d go to my cabin, for reasons I won’t go into. But if I had to stay put at home on my 5 acres I’d do just fine. If I lived in a heavily populated urban area I’d not feel comfortable staying put. But I may have no choice.

 

[rockquarry]

This is a common thread that comes up often. I always wondered where these people went with their bailout kits. I asked on one such thread several months ago as I was curious. Most had no idea. I guess they hadn't planned that far in advance.

 

[biku324]

My suggestion would be to Google the significance of Potočari, Dutch peacekeepers, and safety guarantees of folks in UN uniforms.

 

[steelslaver]

I don't have much of a bug out plan. I do however have a pretty serious bug off plan.
It cracks me up that the people in urban areas plan to flee to rural areas.
WE DON'T WANT YOU

 

[shunka]

One other thing to consider in one’s decision is “broken promises”.

Just as a recent example:
In 1991 The newly established country of “Ukraine” had a dilema. They were the
New owners of quite a number of former soviet nuclear weapons and fcilities.

“Ukraine inherited around 130 ICBMs with six warheads each, 46 ICBMs with ten warheads apiece,
as well as 33 bombers. They basically had about 1,700 nuclear warheads.

Ukraine agreed to transfer these weapons to Russia “to be dismantledj” ,
in exchange for economic compensation and promises from Russia, the USA, and UK
And some mebers of the EU to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
And to defend the Ukraine.

Aaaand we know how that went.

I wont even start on how many Treaties with the Indigenous Peoples aka Native Americans
Have gone. I beleive every treaty signed has been broken.

So,
“Should I stay or shoulld I go”
By The Clash

 

[mtgianni]

Most bug outers will only go as far as one tank of gas will take them.
Check out the book Fire in Paradise, an American tragedy.

https://www.booksamillion.com/p/Fire-Paradise/Dani-Anguiano/9780393542165?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&AID=13599892&PID=101250575&SID=e1daccf6776713b84fbca4ed25ca40b7&cjevent=484017342b3f11f080af00600a1cb829

There were 25 K people and 2 ways in and out. Fire blocked them both. People who could not move, over 500 lbs, but wanted to stay where they lived had been promised that the police would pick them up and get them out. IIRC it was a 8 -10 man department. Over building in this cute little town made it impossible for a fire truck to drive downtown, as the streets were now too narrow. LEO suppossedly also agreed to evacuate the hospital/rest home. Fire must have been the utilities fault as no one else could afford to pay for it.

It isn't just an end of the world scenario; it is paying real attention to the world around you.

 

[Grayfox]

For me its not a choice. I'm too old and decrepit to be bugging out. I'm just gonna hunker down at home and do the best I can.
The bad guys may kill me and take what I have. But I intend to make them pay dearly for it.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Depends on the form the SHTF.. last Tuesday 90 MPH straight line winds blew our Burb of the Burgh. A 5-7 minute storm.
Our garage doors/driveway blocked by a 60ft, 18" tree.
8-9 other trees down or damaged on our property 1.5 acres. One still leaning against the house
Our road closed in both directions by downed wires and trees in multiple locations from Tues to Saturday
Roads all over the Twp blocked into Sat/Sun
100 hours w/out power
Got the tree in the driveway removed on Sun morning

No one was going anywhere!

 

[AlHunt]

I guess it depends of the circumstances. I have been in every major hurricane in Florida and live very close to the water.
The last two were disasters, which I could have gone somewhere.

No point in fleeing a Florida Hurricane. They almost never go where they're predicted. I've sat through my share and as far as I'm concerned, the safest place to be is right in the crosshairs about 48 hours before landfall.

 

[AlHunt]

The bad guys may kill me and take what I have. But I intend to make them pay dearly for it.

Yep, if I'm going to die on a hill, I'm already on it.

 

[biku324]

Yep, if I'm going to die on a hill, I'm already on it.

Bosniaks and Croats all had stories of ambushing or luring Serb soldiers one or two at a time so they could kill them for their weapons. The more weapons they acquired, they better they could defend territory from ground assault, but not IDF (mortars, 107 mm rockets).

In Sarajevo, many neighborhoods had plaques commemorating those in the 'hood who were killed defending it. Neighborhood by neighborhood.

What's critical is to make a decision.

 

[Hawg Rider]

Like Rule3, we live in Florida and have ridden out quite a few hurricanes- only evacuating the island when mandatory evacuation is ordered (no water, no electric, and no police or firemen will cross the causeways to help out). In a large scale emergency situation, we have plans to hunker down. We always keep ample hurricane supplies (including food, water, first aid, flashlights/batteries, and a generator and gasoline), and plenty of guns & ammo. It's funny because I would probably have a houseful of neighbors, mostly leftist anti-gun liberals, that have told us that they plan to move in and stay with us for protection! LOL! I was trained for CERT (Community Emergency Response Team) years ago for S&R during a string of Florida hurricanes, but the county's Emergency Mgmt. phased out that program, so now we're on our own. Let's all pray and hope that this type of apocalyptic scenario never comes to pass.