For a paid hit, it worked perfect. The wife was probably asleep and I imagine it left no blood evidence on the shooter or his attire.
Can the 25 ACP be taken seriously?
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For a paid hit, it worked perfect. The wife was probably asleep and I imagine it left no blood evidence on the shooter or his attire.
BearBio
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I admit to carrying my Colt vest pocket on occasion. I figure it's a "getaway gun"==if someone grabs me, it'll make him let go, so I can get away. It's definitely a last ditch, eyeball/contact pistol.
Depends on which side of the barrel you're standing.
jtpur
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agreed that if pointed at me, Im taking it very seriously...would I want to be shot with one? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would I carry one? NOOOOOOO!!!! but I also agree that its better than nothing but with all the pocket .380's the .25 for a concealment gun has outlived its usefullness...way back a million years ago, working undercover I was issued a Beretta .25 I concealed in my boot or back pocket...I noticed a guy with a 9mm he was about to pull on me in an undercover sting...I got the .25 out first and convinced him to not touch his 9mm....lucky for me the backup guys got there real quickly.....the .25 misfired next time I took it to the range with the same bullet I had on the UC deal....not been much of a fan of them since.
This.
If someone pointed a .25 at me, would it make me think twice about what my next actions were going to be? Beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Would it stop a crackhead that just broke into my home with a bigass knife? Eventually it most likely will - but don't know if it'll be before he gets to use that knife.
samuelrp
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It's a mouse caliber, for shooting mice !
seagill
US Veteran
When I lived in Redding CA, a guy was shot in the head 5 times with a .25 point blank while he was in bed asleep. He was released from the hospital the following day. Even so, I wouldn't want to be shot by one!
If my memory serves John Browning invented the.25ACP to be the rimless equivelent of the old .22 long (not long rifle). The little autos seem to feed rimless ammo better so there's some logic there. About 20 years ago 2 guys I knew got in a fist fight & the smaller one shot the bigger one in the forehead & knocked him flat... then he got up & took the gun away & proceeded to beat him senseless. I guess a .25 is better than nothing but only slightly & since most are too inaccurate to hit a snake I carry something better.
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SAFireman
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...for the intended purpose...
I guess that a Classic Colt Vest Pocket could be carried without much notice by most folks when I could not get away with a J Frame Smith (or larger)....the little 25 seems to have little respect as a fighting gun, but it sure seems to have ended the lives of more than a few people who were in it's path...better to have the 25 than no gun at all...I am for sure not going to stand in front of it
Thanks for all of the opinions guys...and if you missed out earlier, feel free to jump in here and share...especially if you have 'real world proof' of concept/performance.
I guess that a Classic Colt Vest Pocket could be carried without much notice by most folks when I could not get away with a J Frame Smith (or larger)....the little 25 seems to have little respect as a fighting gun, but it sure seems to have ended the lives of more than a few people who were in it's path...better to have the 25 than no gun at all...I am for sure not going to stand in front of it
Thanks for all of the opinions guys...and if you missed out earlier, feel free to jump in here and share...especially if you have 'real world proof' of concept/performance.
seattleM29
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I find MOST of the guns chambered in .25acp are not safe to be carried with a round in the chamber--a few are but I would never carry a Raven or similar striker fired .25acp a loaded chamber, I just do not believe it is safe to carry them that way. The higher end .25's maybe but if I had a choice I would rather carry a S&W 351C in .22 Mag--darn near the same size and a heck of a lot more power, lot more safe and less prone to jams.
Funny that years ago I would never consider carrying a .380 because the choice in expanding ammo was small and the guns were prone to jams if you used it. Fast forward years and I quite often carry a Ruger LCP with Hornady Critical Defense expanding ammo. Not a single malfunction in 300 rounds and this particular load is right on the heels of standard pressure .38 special and gives me 2 more rounds than the .38 snubby I also sometimes carry.
Was just visiting the Hornady website and just for the heck of it checked out the specs on their .25acp load---they offer 1 load of a 35 grain XTP hollowpoint at 900fps and a whopping 63ft lbs. Contrast that with their new .22 Mag Critical Defense loading with a 45 grain bullet at 1000fps and 100 ft lbs out of a 1 7/8" barrel(specifically a S&W 351 PD). They got ALMOST the same amount of penetration as their .380 CD with a 90 grain bullet--10". Not saying a rimfire is the best defense round but when you compare it to the .25acp, I'm going with the .22 mag all day long.
Funny that years ago I would never consider carrying a .380 because the choice in expanding ammo was small and the guns were prone to jams if you used it. Fast forward years and I quite often carry a Ruger LCP with Hornady Critical Defense expanding ammo. Not a single malfunction in 300 rounds and this particular load is right on the heels of standard pressure .38 special and gives me 2 more rounds than the .38 snubby I also sometimes carry.
Was just visiting the Hornady website and just for the heck of it checked out the specs on their .25acp load---they offer 1 load of a 35 grain XTP hollowpoint at 900fps and a whopping 63ft lbs. Contrast that with their new .22 Mag Critical Defense loading with a 45 grain bullet at 1000fps and 100 ft lbs out of a 1 7/8" barrel(specifically a S&W 351 PD). They got ALMOST the same amount of penetration as their .380 CD with a 90 grain bullet--10". Not saying a rimfire is the best defense round but when you compare it to the .25acp, I'm going with the .22 mag all day long.
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coobie
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I carry a beretta 950 jetfire as a bug gun with 35 gr.xtp hornady.Needless to say I am sure it would put a good hurting on ya
sailor2000
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I can't recall if it was Cooper or who that said, "A 25 ACP would do if there was no firearm available"... I'll stick with my 45 and failing that my compact 9 and failing that a 380... and failing that.. I'll stay home....
617X10
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That guy who caused a lot of problems in Gaffney, SC used a
.25ACP to perform his dirty work, and he managed to scare the hell out of everyone around here until the police caught up with him. Anything that shoots a bullet by igniting gunpowder should be considered deadly. No firearm is a toy.
.25ACP to perform his dirty work, and he managed to scare the hell out of everyone around here until the police caught up with him. Anything that shoots a bullet by igniting gunpowder should be considered deadly. No firearm is a toy.
coiler666
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It will always be a better choice than a pointed finger
azasadny
US Veteran
What I always say is "the gun you carry is more effective than the gun you're not carrying". Many people buy a gun that's too karge to easily carry and conceal and then they don't carry it! what good is that? My father is a ".45ACP or nothing" and he's usually not carrying his and makes excuses. I tease him and I always have my Sig P239 in 9mm or my wife's Ruger LCP in .380 with me whenever legally permitted. A mouse gun will work better than no gun at all.
With the hot loads available today for .22lr (Stingers, Aguila, Velociters, ect.) that can produce the same muzzle energy from a rifle as a .380 pistol, (200+ ft lbs.) I don't consider the .25acp to be very noteworthy. I'd say hands down that the .22lr would be more effective.
However if someone pointed a .25acp pocket pistol at me I'd sure as hell be trying to get away from the muzzle of that thing. It has stopped attacks before, it has killed people quickly. But I don't think it can be depended on to do so.
The biggest thing I feel that makes the .25acp completely irrelevant nowadays is the price and availability. It's simply not worth it.
However if someone pointed a .25acp pocket pistol at me I'd sure as hell be trying to get away from the muzzle of that thing. It has stopped attacks before, it has killed people quickly. But I don't think it can be depended on to do so.
The biggest thing I feel that makes the .25acp completely irrelevant nowadays is the price and availability. It's simply not worth it.
I use to carry a Colt Vest pocket when nothing else fit the situation, I have since retired it to the safe and now carry my LCP.
As stated elsewhere,I wouldn't want to chance getting hit with a .25... I don't even want to get hit with a BB gun!
But when nothing else is applicable and you have a .25,,,well I guess it's better than nothing!
As stated elsewhere,I wouldn't want to chance getting hit with a .25... I don't even want to get hit with a BB gun!
But when nothing else is applicable and you have a .25,,,well I guess it's better than nothing!
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