Carry watching

I generally don't even think about it, unless I see a photographer's vest (with no camera) or a fanny pack.

But I have been in a gathering of other middle aged white guys like myself and wondered what percentage was carrying.
 
Oh, and "double tap", too. "Print", "platform", "pencil barrel", "minty", "can", and "double tap" in a single sentence.

The politician (who loved seeing his words in print) was standing on the platform, and I, with my pencil barrel Model 10 and minty fresh breath, gave him a double tap right in the can.

Sorry, it sounded like a challenge!
 
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To Jaymo: Anyone who says they would have "shot the bad guy anyway" is full of beans. This is just more of tough-guy talk from someone who probably should not be carrying in the first place. You handled each situation exactly the way a responsible person should. Congratulations and I hope you can go your own way unmolested in the future.
 
I've spotted several. Non-issue to me, other than the urge to educate some people that the $11.95 Uncle Mike's special they selected is doing a really poor job, especially paired with the $8.00 WalMart belt.
But, I stay quiet.
 
If there is a tally in this, I echo a number of the more conservative posts.
I try to maintain situational awareness, something I learned to do in former careers, starting with USAF aviation. I just notice and keep track of things.

So, I scan for possible threats for the purpose of avoiding them.
As former law enforcement I almost unconsciously scan people for something that looks out of place. Cell phones have been mentioned as a common false indicator so I don't get worked up over small bulges. Like someone else here, I know people who carry two or more.

If I actually saw a gun I would not say anything to the person. As others here have said, the person might get hostile or defensive about it. Here in WisKonsin we have a significant number of the Fascist Left who LOVE to "out" someone and loudly object to that person's presence on private property. I had to tell an acquaintance that I see on a frequent basis -and who knew through our mutual purposes that I carried - to stop outing me and to stop trying to frisk me to confirm whether I was carrying. I reminded her that I was acting legally and that the actual property owners knew I carried and had not complained. She was/is unhappy about that but has stopped harassing me.

As others here have said, I would give a little more attention to a person I observed carrying, just because not everyone here is honest. Go figure.

I spoke up only one time. I was walking through the concourse at Mitchell Field airport, toward my gate, when I noticed the clear print of a gun through the jacket of a man in front of me. It was so obvious I could recognize the handle of a Glock. There was nothing remarkable about his appearance, but Mitchell Field is not the only airport that has failed to detect a gun going through security. He did not fit what was hilariously true about air marshals at the time: he didn't fit the profile.
I was going to say something to armed law enforcement on the concourse until he approached the same gate I was using, where he presented law enforcement credentials. I STILL wasn't going to say anything. Then, in flight, he got up to use the toilet. He was not wearing his jacket and it was obvious he was not carrying the service-size gun I detected.
After landing I passed by him in the concourse and told him what I saw, handing him my business card. He never contacted me.
 
....Some of my friends told me that they would have shot them anyway.
Human life, and the consequences of having to take one, kept me from having a gung-ho attitude like that.
I was a fraction of a second away from being forced to pull the trigger in both cases and am forever grateful that I
did not get to the point of no return.

I have heard similar gung-ho "just shoot them" comments by some people right here on these forums. I'm sure it's just testosterone-fueld macho BS-- I hate to think that anyone here would actually be that cavalier about taking a human life, and that they wouldn't be seriously troubled afterward.
 
"Call them out" ?? - do you think CCW is a club or something? I have carried for many years and if anyone "called me out" I would be more than offended...

It depends on the situation I'd say. For example, when I was new to ccw, I was shopping and my shirt ended up coming up to expose my weapon. I didn't notice, but a gentleman stepped up and quietly let me know that my weapon was showing. I was a tad embarrassed, but thanked the man. If someone was letting me know that they'd spotted it just because yea I'd be ticked.
 
Got into the habit when I was in the job. Still can spot a CC 9 times out of 10. Don't make anything of it, just something I notice.
 
Thanks, Jaymo. Sometimes there's no substitute for the direct approach.

I've been watching the resurgence of 2A popularity over the past several years. When I started the police thing, there weren't too many folks carrying guns legally. Most, at least here in the Rocky Mountain area's bigger cities, were either businessmen, cops, or friends of the chief and/or mayor. You all know the whys behind all that already, I'm sure. In those days, it was pretty cut-and-dried when you found someone carrying a gun: 99.999% of the time, they were the bad guy, a very dangerous bad guy. So it was off to jail, if they didn't need a trip to the hospital first. And a lot of them needed that ER visit, believe me.

As the 2A movement gained strength and brought back the values of days past, a lot of us were reluctant to embrace the movement. All those years of dealing with the scum of the earth, the cops who went before that were cut down by gunfire much too young (including an academy classmate who was killed December 12, 1986 by an armed robber,) made the idea that an armed public could be an asset rather than a hindrance pretty hard to swallow. But I like to think I travel my own path, that I research these topics and make up my own mind. So, when Colorado made the move to expand concealed carry, I was at least able to understand the reasoning and even encourage people to take control of protecting themselves. I haven't been anything but more encouraged as time has passed. And I'm pleased to say that I don't know a single cop in my general vicinity that doesn't completely embrace RTKBA by a legal, responsible citizenry (that's cop-speak for "citizens, not criminals.")

BUT.
Having seen, up close and very personal, the devastation that happens after the trigger is pulled - the incredibly messy damage that can be done to a body; the trauma suffered by the family and friends of the dead; the devastating psychological trauma suffered by the person who pulls the trigger in a righteous shoot, and the addition of fear and regret in those who killed accidentally; and the coldness, the "dead" look in the eyes of real murderers - I cannot ever wish these things on the worst of enemies, and can NOT ever think of them as anything but the most serious and overwhelming circumstances a person can endure. And yet, if you decide to carry a firearm, you have to understand that all those things are a simple trigger-pull away.

So that's it. If you hear anything from this, I hope it's that all I wish for anyone that chooses to carry a gun is: stay serious about it, and that you never need to use it for anything but making holes in paper. Thanks for reading.
 
Jaymo, in between the gangstas, the car-jackers, and the urinal package-peekers...I think I'd move someplace different!


Well, the carjackers WERE the gangstas.
And the pecker-peeker was a co-worker.
Creepy.

And, moving somewhere different sounds very appealing.
I'm thinking, out in the country.
 
I moved from southwest Los Angeles to rural western Washington in 1992, and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made.
 
I, and several other "old timers" meet every morning at the cafe for coffee, then migrate down the street to the feed store for some serious problem solving. We all know the locals that carry, and can pretty much tell if a stranger is, just by his actions - and strangers get looked at very closely. There's six of us regulars, and ten years ago, none of us carried - now nearly all of us do - and I'm the "baby" at 69. So, if you see an old pfart with a cane, it ain't all he's got fer sure.
 
People like you are the reason I act like a typical rude big city person. If you fall in the middle of the road I'll just keep on walking, you are not MY problem. Because you never know when trying to help gets you scolded for your trouble.

Not all "big city persons" are rude and unhelpful. The ones who are, in my experience, usually have other reasons than concern about being scolded for being helpful, decent citizens. Some I've met were too self-absorbed to give a good brisk damn. Others were just too oblivious to notice someone in need.

Most I've known were pretty good people. But then I guess I watch for that the way I do for people carrying. I saw an awful lot of it on 9/11/01. But YMMV.
 
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It depends on the situation I'd say. For example, when I was new to ccw, I was shopping and my shirt ended up coming up to expose my weapon. I didn't notice, but a gentleman stepped up and quietly let me know that my weapon was showing. I was a tad embarrassed, but thanked the man. If someone was letting me know that they'd spotted it just because yea I'd be ticked.

I had a very similar experience when I was a relative newb to CCW. I happened to be in a LGS at the time and was bent over looking at something. Didn't realize that the butt of the revolver I was carrying was poking straight up thru my thin shirt like a shark's dorsal fin. The crusty old timer that was working the store quietly let me know. I was not offended, and looked at it as a learning experience. I can't claim that I have "NEVER EVER" inadvertently "printed" since then, but I know I'm more careful about what I wear, and how I move around. As to the question of whether I look for others carrying, the answer is generally no. I do tend to notice the fisherman's jackets however.
 
no dear ,I am not lusting every young (any under 60) woman, just checking to see if their carrying.

Initially try to be more aware of how people act, and what their eyes are saying.
 
I saw a video on appendix carry and they made a good point on printing. When you carry a gun in your front/crotch area, more than likely people will not look there much to be caught staring at someones crotch. and will dismiss any bulges LOL.
 
I don't look for it, but I've spotted plenty of people who were carrying concealed. I used to use it as a learning experience (what not to do) when I was new to concealed carry.

Pretty much the method I spot the most is IWB or OWB in the 3 to 9 position (going clockwise) under a shirt. I think people look in the mirror and think they're set, not realizing how much they print going about their day.

Of course, that's not a concern for all, but personally I prefer not to print.
 
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