Rastoff
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Wow, completely missed that one. Not choosing to carry, but using the wrong criteria to decide which gun to carry. Yes, there are wrong guns to carry.
Carrying Occasionally
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On all occasions when I am legally able.
We've already covered the legal places you cannot carry but there are a few other times when carrying isn't an option. If I'm going to be doing a lot of bending sort of sheep work with people present who do not know I carry and who I don't want to know I'll leave it it the safe. I'm not willing to get into a big gun discussion when I've got a flock of sheep to deal with and limited time to do that before it either gets too hot or we lose the sheep patience. And wrestling sheep means I am likely to print at some point in the day.
I've also not carried on particularly hot days because I cannot figure out how to conceal any of my preferred guns if I can't wear a cover shirt and there are a few times where it's just obvious that it is too hot to be wearing that many layers. I am not comfortable with off body carry and usually don't have a purse in those situations anyways.
I must admit I do feel a bit naked in those situations.
I've also not carried on particularly hot days because I cannot figure out how to conceal any of my preferred guns if I can't wear a cover shirt and there are a few times where it's just obvious that it is too hot to be wearing that many layers. I am not comfortable with off body carry and usually don't have a purse in those situations anyways.
I must admit I do feel a bit naked in those situations.
jimmib
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I carry all day...I live in an open carry state but prefer concealed...I was taught that concealed means concealed....most people I know DO NoT know that I carry...I think it is choice that is made by each person...just be sure you are mentally ready to use it if that time ever comes and I hope I never have to use mine but I will use it if me or anyone is in imminent danger of harm
vito
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Some of the discussion here reminded me of when I was a certified motorcycle instructor and we were discussing the concept of "ATGATT", i.e., "all of the gear, all of the time" regarding protective clothing, helmet, boots, etc. I used to say to the students that obviously some riders were smarter than me, because I see them riding in shorts and flipflops, so they must know what days they are safe and what days they are going to crash.
If I knew what day and where I would need a gun I would stay home that day and not go anywhere. But obviously none of us knows when a totally quiet and ordinary day will turn into a life and death situation. I usually do not carry at home, and the other day I needed to run out for a few items to the grocery store. I left the house and arrived at the store and suddenly realized that I had not taken my gun. Fortunately everything went as normal and no gun was needed, but I was very aware that I had left myself vulnerable because I had forgotten that I had put away my gun when I came home earlier. This will probably get me to carry in the house now, all the time every day.
That said, I do know several people who like myself applied for and received their concealed carry license as soon as it was possible here in Illinois. But while I carry every day, I have a few friends who admitted that they have yet to carry. Reasons range from needing a better holster, needing a smaller or lighter gun, waiting until they retire since they cannot carry at work, etc. Each to their own.
If I knew what day and where I would need a gun I would stay home that day and not go anywhere. But obviously none of us knows when a totally quiet and ordinary day will turn into a life and death situation. I usually do not carry at home, and the other day I needed to run out for a few items to the grocery store. I left the house and arrived at the store and suddenly realized that I had not taken my gun. Fortunately everything went as normal and no gun was needed, but I was very aware that I had left myself vulnerable because I had forgotten that I had put away my gun when I came home earlier. This will probably get me to carry in the house now, all the time every day.
That said, I do know several people who like myself applied for and received their concealed carry license as soon as it was possible here in Illinois. But while I carry every day, I have a few friends who admitted that they have yet to carry. Reasons range from needing a better holster, needing a smaller or lighter gun, waiting until they retire since they cannot carry at work, etc. Each to their own.
colin1230
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Hey, maybe the neighbors were going to a BBQ.
I've never figured that one out.
I've never figured that one out.
vito
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Everyone knows that barbeque sauce causes people to draw and fire their guns, which is why you should never carry when going to a BBQ.
FloridaFlier
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I have encouraged my friends and neighbors who show even a slight interest in shooting to apply for their CC permit. Even if they never carry, the permit shows our elected leaders that there is yet another person who supports the second amendment and the right to carry.
Just getting the permit is a positive statement! What you actually do or don't do after that is nobody else's business.
Just getting the permit is a positive statement! What you actually do or don't do after that is nobody else's business.
I seem to remember and article by Massad Ayoob in which he states that if you're ever in a defensive shooting and it goes beyond a preliminary investigation they will likely ask you "Why were you carrying a gun at all?"
He said you're better off if you're able to say "I always carry a gun, today was no different." Than if you say "I don't normally carry a gun but I was doing something that made me think I might need one today." Or "I wanted to look cool."
He said you're better off if you're able to say "I always carry a gun, today was no different." Than if you say "I don't normally carry a gun but I was doing something that made me think I might need one today." Or "I wanted to look cool."
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My BIL has his permit and I don't believe he ever carries.
Carrying is as much about personal preference as anything else in life - do what makes you happy. FWIW, I've been carrying essentially everyday since I was 16 - yes, always had a shotgun or rifle in my truck, even at school, which was perfectally legal and accepted at the time.
Became a cop at 19 and have carried a handgun 99% percent of the time from that point on. However, I don't carry in my home, I carry one gun at a time (usually with pepper spray and spare mag or speedloader); most of the time i carry concealed, sometimes open. 99% of the time I don't feel it's needed, but like many my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs. I also know that without bad things happening there wouldn't be a need for the 5 o'clock news; I will do what I can to insure I am the one talking with the reporter after the dust settles.
Became a cop at 19 and have carried a handgun 99% percent of the time from that point on. However, I don't carry in my home, I carry one gun at a time (usually with pepper spray and spare mag or speedloader); most of the time i carry concealed, sometimes open. 99% of the time I don't feel it's needed, but like many my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs. I also know that without bad things happening there wouldn't be a need for the 5 o'clock news; I will do what I can to insure I am the one talking with the reporter after the dust settles.
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Self defense is generally an affirmative defense; you're admitting to doing something illegal (Shooting someone) but claiming that the circumstances (he was trying to kill you) justified your actions.
At some point in that process you are going to have to justify why you did what you did.
IOW at some point you will be answering questions
Necessity defense legal definition of Necessity defense
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Yes, you don't have to answer every question to defend your point or to make it a justified self defense. That's why you have a lawyer who will tell you that you don't have to answer that question.
In your case it won't matter because they'll just subpoena your hard drive and ask you to explain this
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Yes, because they would have reason to do that in the first place.
Your reasoning is flawed, just don't answer the question. It's too easy.
Your Google Fu is weak old man.
Looking through your social media accounts is standard practice these days. It's almost automatic
Yea smokes because my name is clay and im a cow. Your knowledge of these matters is extremely weak.
I carry a gun for self defense period. If they come up with a tool that does the job better than a gun I'll carry that.
A gun is like a seat belt, it's purpose driven so you use it every time you get in the car no matter what. I carry every time I walk out the front door whether I feel like it or not.
Avoiding legal traps by Massad Ayoob
From the above article
Massad Ayoob said:
THR
This ain't my first rodeo
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Smoke, you obviously don't know anything about computers and neither does Ayoob. His statements are geared toward people who don't know anything about the internet or computers.
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Reading some of the posts about the areas not being likely to "need" protection, I'm reminded of an interview of a long dead bank robber. Some youngster was inteviewing Willie Sutton and asked why he robbed banks. After a period of silence, he gently explained that: "That's where the money is."
If you're going to rob/home invade/burgle are you going to do so where no one has anything or a better neighborhood?
If you're going to rob/home invade/burgle are you going to do so where no one has anything or a better neighborhood?
bgrone
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When I lived on the east side of Des Moines the general consensus was that the west side was the haves and the east side was the have-nots and those more inclined to thievery. Some one asked me if I worried about burglaries , I replied that the thieves frequented the west side where the good stuff was.
When I lived on the east side of Des Moines the general consensus was that the west side was the haves and the east side was the have-nots and those more inclined to thievery. Some one asked me if I worried about burglaries , I replied that the thieves frequented the west side where the good stuff was.
skyking09
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I carry whenever I'm out of my home, unless there is a particular reason that I cannot/should not, etc.
1. I went through the trouble ( not much ) of getting my CCL
2. I'm an American and it's my right
3. There are lots of crazies out there.
When I first started carrying, my wife would say things like, are you really taking that to the restaurant tonight or something like that. Now, she's accustomed to my having it with me whenever we're out, she is more comfortable and is like the spare tire in the car or my amex card - I don't leave home "without it" !
1. I went through the trouble ( not much ) of getting my CCL
2. I'm an American and it's my right
3. There are lots of crazies out there.
When I first started carrying, my wife would say things like, are you really taking that to the restaurant tonight or something like that. Now, she's accustomed to my having it with me whenever we're out, she is more comfortable and is like the spare tire in the car or my amex card - I don't leave home "without it" !
When I took the class for my CPL, the instructor strongly advised that once we were legal, carry every day. Make it a part of your daily routine. Keys, money, wallet, firearm. I've done it that way ever since. That said, I know a few people who carry when the mood strikes. I don't try changing their mind. MYOB rules the day.
bgrone
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Being new to CCW (have had my permit for 2 yrs) I am easing into trying to be come more comfortable and trying different carry methods and holsters. A local ret LEO made me a custom ankle holster for my J frame and it is very comfortable, I just need to put in more time dry practice drawing and reloading. I am a bit ADD so it takes a long time to make anything a daily routine. Fortunately I am seldom anywhere risky, around here we don't lock our cars seldom take keys out of ignition. And yes I know violence can strike anywhere anytime but I still consider the odds.
I do appreciate all the well meaning advice and the candid opinions of all the forum members here. When I do carry I want to do it in a safe, responsible and discrete manner.
When any of my guns are not in my immediate possession they are in a locked safe or a quick access lock box.
Thank you members for all your contributions to this topic.
Being new to CCW (have had my permit for 2 yrs) I am easing into trying to be come more comfortable and trying different carry methods and holsters. A local ret LEO made me a custom ankle holster for my J frame and it is very comfortable, I just need to put in more time dry practice drawing and reloading. I am a bit ADD so it takes a long time to make anything a daily routine. Fortunately I am seldom anywhere risky, around here we don't lock our cars seldom take keys out of ignition. And yes I know violence can strike anywhere anytime but I still consider the odds.
I do appreciate all the well meaning advice and the candid opinions of all the forum members here. When I do carry I want to do it in a safe, responsible and discrete manner.
When any of my guns are not in my immediate possession they are in a locked safe or a quick access lock box.
Thank you members for all your contributions to this topic.
Jerry N.
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I have my CC permit and I have never carried. I'm sure it's different depending on the State you live in, but in Michigan, it's easier to purchase a gun if you have your CPL. I agree with the post above, that it's also a comment to your State that you support the second amendment, but I got mine so I could buy guns easier. Why do I want a gun(s) if I'm not going to carry? Well that's a different thread, but I enjoy going to the range and I like intricate machines.
It's also nice from a legal point that if for some reason I don't secure my gun properly and have it in my car, I have significant protection with my CPL. Not that I would, but my gun can be loaded and be anywhere in the car without issue. Without a CPL, the gun MUST be unloaded, in the trunk, separated from ammo . . . Of course, that is how I travel to the range, but the CPL is a significant layer of protection from making a mistake during transportation of a gun.
It may be that I will carry at some point in my life, but at this moment in my life, I'm not carrying.
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