Carrying Occasionally

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I'll feel more comfortable when I can carry in what are now gun free zones. I don't frequent businesses that don't allow weapons, i.e. Waffle House. I'm not piling on anyone who chooses not to carry most of the time. Apparently it applies to most licensed individuals. I don't understand it, but it is a choice. I am geared towards safety. I wear a helmet and other protective gear when I ride a bike. I wear ear protection when using loud equipment or shooting. I wear eye protection around power tools and while shooting. I use my seat belt every time. Funny thing is I've rarely had the safety equipment have to do its job, but I've seen what happens to those who choose not to use protective gear nor carry. I don't want to be one of those statistics.
 
I carry all the time, at least all the times that I can do so legally. I won't carry into a Post Office (I don't go to one often) and I don't carry at the VA Medical Center where I go at least once a week, usually more often. I am fortunate that I can get in my car at home and make a fairly straight shot to the entrance to the Hospital. I never stop going to or coming from the Hospital.

Otherwise, I carry all the time and carry at home also. No one has ever asked me why I carry, so I will pretend you asked me.

After I got out of the Service in '68, I became a police officer. Off duty carry became second nature.

Then in Law School, I rarely carried (concealed permits were a bit hard to obtain in the days before we became the Gunshine State).

As a Prosecutor, I carried all the time (more than half of our Prosecutors didn't carry at all, and a few didn't even own a firearm).

I began teaching concealed weapons courses and taught them for over twenty years. I retired some 8 years ago and continued to teach and continued to carry.

Then I got sick. The cancer treatment has weakened me to the point that I could not possibly defend myself with my fists. I used to know a bit about boxing and martial arts, but I have been so weakened by the radiation and chemo that I really don't think I could fight my way out of a wet paper bag.

I would try to protect myself and my family with non-deadly force, of course, but I would probably lose and lose pretty quickly.

That is one of the reasons I am carrying a Glock 43 and a spare mag in a Snagmag carrier. The 43, in a Crossbreed IAWB, simply disappears under my T-Shirt (which is all I can wear because of the PEG (feeding) tube inserted in my belly).

I don't ever go to any of those places one might think is dangerous, but I realize that one can find themselves in a bad situation even in the so-called safe areas of a city.

I can't really run, but I certainly would walk as fast as I can away from any encounter that might escalate to the use of any level of force.

But if I can't get away, can't find someway out of the situation, and believe that it is necessary to keep from being killed or seriously injured, then I have the option of using the carry gun to protect myself.

That's why I carry-all the time.

Bob
 
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....... The idea of carrying only sometimes never made sense to me? Why carry some times and not others? What is it about whatever you're doing now that makes it so inherently dangerous that you feel the need to carry this time? If it's so dangerous that you feel you need a gun why are you doing it?

Of course I realize that there are times when you just can't carry but I'm talking about just carrying when you feel like it

The above is one of the most egocentric gun-related arguments that I've ever read! (Until I looked at your profile I thought you might be a shill who had come here looking for trouble - I really did!) Why I carry a gun has little or nothing to do with what I may, or may not, be doing. It has nothing to do with any possible danger from my immediate environment, either.

I carry a gun because, in point of fact, I don't know what might happen to me in the next: minute, hour, day, or week. I carry a gun because, contrary to popular opinion, OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT ALL ESSENTIALLY GOOD. I wish people-in-general were good; but they're not; and THAT is a reality we, all, have to live with every single day of our lives.

Contrary to what's going on, right now, in American politics, there is no law that (directly) states, 'It is illegal to either defend yourself, or to anticipate a need for self-defense.' Thinking back over my life, the morning our home was invaded by a huge, filthy dirty, street vagrant I didn't have a gun. I was downstairs when he walked through our unlocked front door; and my gun was upstairs in the bedroom closet. (To this day this is one of the closest calls I can remember.)

Then, years later, on a bright and sunny Sunday afternoon I very carelessly put on my holster, but forgot to put my gun in it before leaving home. (Only time in my life that I ever did anything like that; but I did it.) Later that day when my wife and I were deep inside the Delaware State Forest on some lonely back road, we crested a hill to see a brand new, cherry-red Volkswagen stopped right in the middle of the road. A woman jumped out; and a man began chasing her round and round the car.

When he caught her he began beating her at and about the head with everything he had! I really didn't want to get involved; but, I thought that if someone didn't stop him he might kill her. So I got out of our vehicle, and yelled at him to stop! He didn't take my intervention well. Next thing I know he gives me this incredibly evil look, lets the woman go, and starts reaching into the back of his Volkswagen for something.

I didn't wait! I put my support foot forward, brushed my cover jacket aside, took a combat stance, and reached for my holster - My surprisingly empty holster! There I was with an empty holster, two extra magazines, and no gun! He glared at me; and, without any other options, I narrowed my eyes and started back at him. I had to think fast; and, without any viable alternatives, I decided my best chance to survive against this fellow, who was younger and much larger than I am, was to do my best imitation of, 'faking it'. So, with my gun hand at my side and from a gunman's crouch, I yelled at him, 'Don't make me do it!'

Then came a long pregnant pause until finally the ruse worked; and, leaving his car right there in the middle of the road, the brute ran off into the woods. (Close one!)

That's two times when I should have had a gun that I did not. Personally, I find it ironic that anyone who also carries a gun would ask me why I was doing the same thing? I don't want trouble; I don't go out looking for trouble; I deliberately limit my nighttime activities; and I tend to avoid large crowds; but, DOES ANY OF THIS MAKE ME AND MINE SAFE?

(Of course not! If I don't go to them then they simply come to the house.) :p
 
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Thinking back over my life, the morning our home was invaded by a huge, filthy dirty, street vagrant I didn't have a gun. I was downstairs when he walked through our unlocked front door; and my gun was upstairs in the bedroom closet.

Sounds like locking the door would have served you better than a gun. Just sayin'.
 
have forgotten my gun at home from time to time.....man I do not feel safe.
 
I carry a j frame all the time...even at home. It's small and fit's into a pocket easily, and that makes it easy to carry all the time.

Fox
 
The above is one of the most egocentric gun-related arguments that I've ever read! (Until I looked at your profile I thought you might be a shill who had come here looking for trouble - I really did!) Why I carry a gun has little or nothing to do with what I may, or may not, be doing. It has nothing to do with any possible danger from my immediate environment, either.

I carry a gun because, in point of fact, I don't know what might happen to me in the next: minute, hour, day, or week. I carry a gun because, contrary to popular opinion, OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT ALL ESSENTIALLY GOOD. I wish people-in-general were good; but they're not; and THAT is a reality we, all, have to live with every single day of our lives.

Contrary to what's going on, right now, in American politics, there is no law that (directly) states, 'It is illegal to either defend yourself, or to anticipate a need for self-defense.' Thinking back over my life, the morning our home was invaded by a huge, filthy dirty, street vagrant I didn't have a gun. I was downstairs when he walked through our unlocked front door; and my gun was upstairs in the bedroom closet. (To this day this is one of the closest calls I can remember.)

Then, years later, on a bright and sunny Sunday afternoon I very carelessly put on my holster, but forgot to put my gun in it before leaving home. (Only time in my life that I ever did anything like that; but I did it.) Later that day when my wife and I were deep inside the Delaware State Forest on some lonely back road, we crested a hill to see a brand new, cherry-red Volkswagen stopped right in the middle of the road. A woman jumped out; and a man began chasing her round and round the car.

When he caught her he began beating her at and about the head with everything he had! I really didn't want to get involved; but, I thought that if someone didn't stop him he might kill her. So I got out of our vehicle, and yelled at him to stop! He didn't take my intervention well. Next thing I know he gives me this incredibly evil look, lets the woman go, and starts reaching into the back of his Volkswagen for something.

I didn't wait! I put my support foot forward, brushed my cover jacket aside, took a combat stance, and reached for my holster - My surprisingly empty holster! There I was with an empty holster, two extra magazines, and no gun! He glared at me; and, without any other options, I narrowed my eyes and started back at him. I had to think fast; and, without any viable alternatives, I decided my best chance to survive against this fellow, who was younger and much larger than I am, was to do my best imitation of, 'faking it'. So, with my gun hand at my side and from a gunman's crouch, I yelled at him, 'Don't make me do it!'

Then came a long pregnant pause until finally the ruse worked; and, leaving his car right there in the middle of the road, the brute ran off into the woods. (Close one!)

That's two times when I should have had a gun that I did not. Personally, I find it ironic that anyone who also carries a gun would ask me why I was doing the same thing? I don't want trouble; I don't go out looking for trouble; I deliberately limit my nighttime activities; and I tend to avoid large crowds; but, DOES ANY OF THIS MAKE ME AND MINE SAFE?

(Of course not! If I don't go to them then they simply come to the house.) ;)

I'm just spitballing here, but two things:

Lock your door.

Don't inject yourself into the business of others. You acted like a police officer. If they're not hurting you or yours, leave it alone.
 
My folks live in a very small town and there are a few loaded firearms in the house.
 
I have a Concealed weapon permit
I live in a town that hasn't had a murder or armed robbery in the last 20 years. Our police plotter is always string of nuisance calls. I don't carry around here except to the range. Doors and cars are unlocked and 1/2 the cars have the keys in them. In the winter many of them are left running in parking lots. Some of them have guns in them too. Coyotes are worth money in the winter. My shop is far more dangerous than around town.

When I leave town for a city, I carry.
 
I have a Concealed weapon permit
I live in a town that hasn't had a murder or armed robbery in the last 20 years. Our police blotter is always string of nuisance calls. I don't carry around here except to the range. Doors and cars are unlocked and 1/2 the cars have the keys in them. In the winter many of them are left running in parking lots. Some of them have guns in them too. Coyotes are worth money in the winter. My shop is far more dangerous than around town.

In this state with a permit there is no phone call, fill out the form, cash and carry.

When I leave town for a city, I carry.
 
I'm just spitballing here, but two things:

Lock your door.

Don't inject yourself into the business of others. You acted like a police officer. If they're not hurting you or yours, leave it alone.
Some person you are, let a man beat a woman.
 
I'm just spitballing here, but two things:

Lock your door.

Don't inject yourself into the business of others. You acted like a police officer. If they're not hurting you or yours, leave it alone.

Spitballing? Is that, like, offering advice on something about which you know next-to-nothing, but still want to put something up on the board regardless of however inane or useless it might be? Is THAT what, 'spitballing' is? :rolleyes:

As far as the unlocked front door goes? We lived in a beautiful home, in a very nice neighborhood, and the town's large (80 + officers) police station was only two blocks away - So, how safe is that! There was, also, a plainly visible metallic sign on the right-hand lentil of our front door. It read, 'Warning: Guard Dogs On Premises. Do Not Enter Without Permission.'

The fellow who came into our home that morning had to walk right past that sign; and there is no way a sober, unimpaired person could have missed it! To this day, I've never quite understood how the fellow could do that - Drugs, or alcohol maybe? (However, since you've decided to dwell on this event, for your next, 'spitball' why don't you ask me what happened to him? It's another great story on, 'Why' being prepared and having an immediate means of adequate self-defense is so important.)

Another thing: What's with the, 'acting like a policeman' remark? Do you really believe that; or are you just trying to be humorous? What would you do if you were to turn a corner and suddenly see a large man severely beating a woman? Are you suggesting that if you were in a similar situation you wouldn't become involved? (I don't understand? How can you be so disinterested, so socially insensitive?)

Personally I think your advice, your obvious attitude, is remarkably antisocial; I really do. I know my parents didn't raise me to behave that way; but, as your comments suggest, the social climate in America is rapidly changing and, perhaps, not for the better! Indeed, today it might be wise (if not entirely moral) to ignore other people's hardships - Especially other people whom you really do not know! Times are changing! Neither, 'acting like a policeman', or being a, 'good Samaritan' seems to be as appropriate nowadays as it once was.

You're able to appreciate the idea of being socially concerned, and becoming personally involved in what might be an uncomfortable, or even a potentially dangerous social situation; aren't you! You're NOT saying that you'd quickly get up and walk out of a movie theater the moment you heard gunshots - Right? If so, then, why carry a gun in the first place? Do you read? Do you know what Hemingway said? 'No man is an island unto himself ....... .' (Look it up!) Personally I think that each of us, by nothing more than the simple fact that we exist, owes a certain humanitarian debt to others. Surely, you do too - Yes! :)

You know, the Obama economy is hitting America very hard; and people's behavior is now in a state of social flux, and rapidly changing accordingly. As for myself? I think the increasingly difficult economy, here, in America has a lot to do with the continuous rise in the ownership of firearms. If Americans weren't genuinely concerned, if they really didn't care about either themselves or their neighbors welfare, then firearm sales would be going down instead of continuing to rise - Yes?

In the foreseeable future I expect we'll, all, see more rather than less daily antisocial behavior. You don't really think that school shootings, assaults on police officers, random sniper attacks, and malicious bombings are going to suddenly stop and disappear, now, do you!

Sometimes a right thinking, morally inclined, and socially concerned person HAS to get involved - Even when a certain amount of personal risk must, also, be assumed. Isn't this attitude, this mature sense of social responsibility, a large part of the reason, 'Why' so many law-abiding Americans value their Second Amendment rights and deliberately choose to own firearms! This sort of concern, this sort of social motivation, probably has a lot to do with, 'Why' American gun owners spend so much time on so many internet gun forums, as well. (Or, at least, I think so!)

You don't really advocate NOT to act, 'like a policeman', do you! Have you forgotten the legal concept of, 'posse comitatus'? In case you didn't know it is one of the foundational concepts underscoring American jurisprudence! (Once again, look it up!) Because if your most recent reply to this thread is, truly, an expression of how you really think then, maybe, you should either sell your guns, stop carrying a sidearm, or move someplace else. :rolleyes:
 
As far as the unlocked front door goes? We lived in a beautiful home, in a very nice neighborhood, and the town's large (80 + officers) police station was only two blocks away - So, how safe is that! There was, also, a plainly visible metallic sign on the right-hand lentil of our front door. It read, 'Warning: Guard Dogs On Premises. Do Not Enter Without Permission.'

Again, how'd all that work out for you?
 
Spitballing? Is that, like, offering advice on something about which you know next-to-nothing, but still want to put something up on the board regardless of however inane or useless it might be? Is THAT what, 'spitballing' is? :rolleyes:

As far as the unlocked front door goes? We lived in a beautiful home, in a very nice neighborhood, and the town's large (80 + officers) police station was only two blocks away - So, how safe is that! There was, also, a plainly visible metallic sign on the right-hand lentil of our front door. It read, 'Warning: Guard Dogs On Premises. Do Not Enter Without Permission.'

The fellow who came into our home that morning had to walk right past that sign; and there is no way a sober, unimpaired person could have missed it! To this day, I've never quite understood how the fellow could do that - Drugs, or alcohol maybe? (However, since you've decided to dwell on this event, for your next, 'spitball' why don't you ask me what happened to him? It's another great story on, 'Why' being prepared and having an immediate means of adequate self-defense is so important.)

Another thing: What's with the, 'acting like a policeman' remark? Do you really believe that; or are you just trying to be humorous? What would you do if you were to turn a corner and suddenly see a large man severely beating a woman? Are you suggesting that if you were in a similar situation you wouldn't become involved? (I don't understand? How can you be so disinterested, so socially insensitive?)

Personally I think your advice, your obvious attitude, is remarkably antisocial; I really do. I know my parents didn't raise me to behave that way; but, as your comments suggest, the social climate in America is rapidly changing and, perhaps, not for the better! Indeed, today it might be wise (if not entirely moral) to ignore other people's hardships - Especially other people whom you really do not know! Times are changing! Neither, 'acting like a policeman', or being a, 'good Samaritan' seems to be as appropriate nowadays as it once was.

You're able to appreciate the idea of being socially concerned, and becoming personally involved in what might be an uncomfortable, or even a potentially dangerous social situation; aren't you! You're NOT saying that you'd quickly get up and walk out of a movie theater the moment you heard gunshots - Right? If so, then, why carry a gun in the first place? Do you read? Do you know what Hemingway said? 'No man is an island unto himself ....... .' (Look it up!) Personally I think that each of us, by nothing more than the simple fact that we exist, owes a certain humanitarian debt to others. Surely, you do too - Yes! :)

You know, the Obama economy is hitting America very hard; and people's behavior is now in a state of social flux, and rapidly changing accordingly. As for myself? I think the increasingly difficult economy, here, in America has a lot to do with the continuous rise in the ownership of firearms. If Americans weren't genuinely concerned, if they really didn't care about either themselves or their neighbors welfare, then firearm sales would be going down instead of continuing to rise - Yes?

In the foreseeable future I expect we'll, all, see more rather than less daily antisocial behavior. You don't really think that school shootings, assaults on police officers, random sniper attacks, and malicious bombings are going to suddenly stop and disappear, now, do you!

Sometimes a right thinking, morally inclined, and socially concerned person HAS to get involved - Even when a certain amount of personal risk must, also, be assumed. Isn't this attitude, this mature sense of social responsibility, a large part of the reason, 'Why' so many law-abiding Americans value their Second Amendment rights and deliberately choose to own firearms! This sort of concern, this sort of social motivation, probably has a lot to do with, 'Why' American gun owners spend so much time on so many internet gun forums, as well. (Or, at least, I think so!)

You don't really advocate NOT to act, 'like a policeman', do you! Have you forgotten the legal concept of, 'posse comitatus'? In case you didn't know it is one of the foundational concepts underscoring American jurisprudence! (Once again, look it up!) Because if your most recent reply to this thread is, truly, an expression of how you really think then, maybe, you should either sell your guns, stop carrying a sidearm, or move someplace else. :rolleyes:

Your philosophical musings aside, I don't carry a gun to protect others. I carry a gun to protect me and mine. Want to stop random fights between strangers? Police departments are always hiring. Oh, by the way, I know more about this subject than you could imagine . . .
 
My brother once stopped a man who was hitting a woman, she started smacking him on the head with the high heel of her shoe. But, I am not going to let a woman get knocked around by a guy and he would do it again. Thing is any LEO will tell you that domestic calls are extremely dangerous and that the one being assaulted might turn on you when you intervene. Better to call 911 than pull a gun unless it is extreme.

Sitting yourself up by going into a situation with an empty holster is extremely bad form.
 
Your philosophical musings aside, I don't carry a gun to protect others. I carry a gun to protect me and mine. Want to stop random fights between strangers? Police departments are always hiring. Oh, by the way, I know more about this subject than you could imagine . . .

:eek: You do! Well, it's NOT showing. There is, also, an obvious basic philosophical difference between your personal scruples and sense of social responsibility, and my own. This being said, I see no further value in continuing this discussion; so I'm going to let you have the last word. (I think you'll enjoy that!) ;)

My brother once stopped a man who was hitting a woman, she started smacking him on the head with the high heel of her shoe. But, I am not going to let a woman get knocked around by a guy and he would do it again. Thing is any LEO will tell you that domestic calls are extremely dangerous and that the one being assaulted might turn on you when you intervene. Better to call 911 than pull a gun unless it is extreme.

Sitting yourself up (sic) by going into a situation with an empty holster is extremely bad form.

I agree. It is, 'extremely bad form' to enter into an already antagonistic situation with an empty holster; but, remember, I didn't know the holster was empty until AFTER I reached for my gun.

Neither is there cell phone service available throughout the national forest where we were located when this event took place. We were that woman's only, 'life preserver'; and when I got her into the relative safety of our vehicle, I'll tell ya, she was pretty beat up.

Sometimes being a, 'good Samaritan' is something you just have to do! You might not want to; but, charity (the, 'milk of human kindness') demands it.
 
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Seems like a good time to pull this out. ;)

The Dangers of Intervention (Or: Evan Marshall gets it right, for once...)

Just remember, not everyone wants (or, quite frankly, needs) to be saved. If someone wants to be a white knight and doesn't mind their rescuee occasionally turning on them, they're a better candidate for sainthood than I am. :D

My motto is: Fools rush in where cops fear to tread.
 
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