Carrying where "No Guns" signs are posted.

[SweetMK]

If you think I am going back to the car to leave my gun behind,
because the barber shop now has a no concealed weapons sign,

you are crazier than me!!

I - need - my - hair - cut - !!!

 

[TexasArmed]

Wisconsin has a similar provision--you have to leave an area if the owner asked you. The problem in my area is the posting of signs, especially in malls.

For example, one furniture store in our local mall permits CCW owers to carry, but they also have an entrance to the main promenade area of the mall. They post a sign on their door, only as a warning to those leaving their store area.

Same thing with the bookstore, but with a catch. They allow firearms, and have a separate entrance. But they do not post anywhere. My concern is that a clueless legal license holder could enter the side door, and the enter the promenade and never see a sign.

Since I only patronize those stores that permit firearms, I don't have an issue. It's the owner's loss of revenue, not mine.

I would never use any store in a shopping mall that has legally posted signs in Texas. The only ones I have seen in Texas were at Sears and JC Penney. There are too many other places to buy products plus foreign suppliers over the internet, for me to provide any economic support to such stores in malls with legal no gun signs. What do I care if they call go bankrupt? They create their own problems in a rough economy. But I go the additional step of encouraging my friends not to shop with them either. I usually talk about how dangerous their parking lots are with criminals hanging out there.

 

[szuppo]

Keep it concealed and no one knows. Not a real big deal. I do try to avoid patronizing such businesses though. So if I happen to infringe upon the rights or those store owners by having my firearm concealed upon my person in their premisis, yes my personal protection matters much more.

 

[Sparky5112]

If your weapon is truly concealed, no one will know that you are carrying unless there is a critical situation that requires you to pull, at which point I would think everyone would be grateful except possibly the offender. I don't think much about it and I don't check every door I pass through to check for signs prohibiting firearms. I used to be more self conscience about CCW, but I am comfortable with it now. I don't worry about printing because I pretty much dress around my weapon.
It seems like a lot of the places that have the "no firearms" signs, are the places that I would think would welcome a person with a legally concealed weapon, such as banks and such.
Peace,
gordon

I agree 100% "Concealed" means concealed. If you do not see my weapon it should not be a problem. I carry in most places that are posted and I don't see a problem.

 

[TexasArmed]

Gun shops do it out of a sense of self preservation. I've been in more than one gun shop where a couple guys will be talking and suddenly one of them say, "Ya think thets sumthin? Ya needz to see my new Stremheiser 380!" and out comes his Roscoe from under his shirt. Usually panic ensues and I do a low crawl out the door.

The sad reality is that many gun owners are morons and don't realize that they are morons.

Yeah I just bought a 12 Gage Shot Gun, a Glock 30, a Walther 380 just recently and i did not buy them at the gun store where
they have the none legal no gun sign. One of them there has
told me the sign was really not for me, with a CHL but it still
makes me uncomfortable. I do not know of a single gunshop
where i live that has a 30.06,30.07 (as of Jan) or a 51% sign.
But those are the only three that I have to legally comply with.
Now if I am ever in the gun shop that has the sign about
disarming and they say anything to me, since they know I
have a permit i will leave immediately and never stop by again.
I did buy one gun there quiet awhile back.

 

[drcates248]

I worked for Walmart for 6 years. I personally sold Ar15s,mini 14's ect. I'm not really defending Walmart they certainly have their share of bad in my opinion. But the not selling guns was a business decision. The used sales demographics to determine the profitability on a store to store basis. Most of the stores that I know of no longer have a posted no carry sign. Walmart is in business to make money, not enemies

 

[Art Doc]

Depends on state law. If the law makes it a crime to ignore no carry signs if discovered you can be arrested, charged and tried. Conviction may include fines, jail time, loss of permit and maybe the gun or worse, if it's a felony say goodbye to your gun rights.

Here in Arkansas it is not a violation of law to ignore the signs. If discovered, all that can happen is the property owner can order you to leave. If you refuse you can then be charged with simple trespassing. But every state will be different.

Knowing the criminals choose gun free zones, and knowing in my state ignoring the signs is not punishable by law, I do ignore them. I would not be so quick to do so in a state with severe punishment for ignoring gun ban zones. Saying "The Second Amendment protects me" will do you zero good in court.

 

[Arik]

I worked for Walmart for 6 years. I personally sold Ar15s,mini 14's ect. I'm not really defending Walmart they certainly have their share of bad in my opinion. But the not selling guns was a business decision. The used sales demographics to determine the profitability on a store to store basis. Most of the stores that I know of no longer have a posted no carry sign. Walmart is in business to make money, not enemies

Yep! People complain about Walmart ammo and now guns. The Walmarts in 30 mile radius around my city stopped carrying all that in 1999

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

Yep! People complain about Walmart ammo and now guns. The Walmarts in 30 mile radius around my city stopped carrying all that in 1999

The Walmart in Willow Grove is the closest one near me, and it sells ammo. I use to consider their ammo prices great, but now I can get better deals online, including with the cost of shipping added.

 

[Arik]

Never been to that one but then again I don't exectly go looking for them. Either way none sell guns and haven't in almost 20 years

 

[hangnoose]

DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME.

Never gamble more than you can afford to lose. Concealed means concealed, just be sure it's concealed real well if you choose to go there. In gun shops I believe they will be more able to spot a CC'er than most other places, and they are usually a place I would like to be able to go back to, so I play their game, most of the time.

 

[joeintexas]

Amazing that this thread was reactivated after 3 years and the opinions are still divided. Personally I try to avoid a confrontation, if the business doesn't want me and my gun in their business I will accommodate them and shop elsewhere. Haven't found a store yet I couldn't do without. I don't run with scissors either.

 

[TexasArmed]

Yep! People complain about Walmart ammo and now guns. The Walmarts in 30 mile radius around my city stopped carrying all that in 1999

Seems like Walmart provides long guns and ammo for the Texas market. I was there today, they had no 45 HP's for a semi but
had regular 45 rounds. They have a good selection of long guns and shotguns too.

 

[Arik]

Seems like Walmart provides long guns and ammo for the Texas market. I was there today, they had no 45 HP's for a semi but
had regular 45 rounds. They have a good selection of long guns and shotguns too.

They have walmart with guns and ammo in Pa, just not in or around Philadelphia. And to be honestly their selection is pathetic. I can see why they stopped selling firearms. Ruger 10/22, Mosburg 12G, a AR and some type of lever gun....not exactly a selection. Any LGS will have a much much better variety

 

[drcates248]

The Walmart I worked at in state college pa actually sold reloading supplies and components. We sold Sierra and hornady bullets and Alliant powder. Rcbs equipment. It is rare to see this but it was profitable so it was allowed. That is the key word"profitably "

 

[KSDeputy]

I carry where there are no gun signs, only because KS has a law that enables a retired LEOSA permit holder to carry anywhere an active officer can carry. If I go into a building that has security, such as x-ray and metal detectors, I show my credentials to the officers manning the machines and am allowed to bypass them and enter. This doesn't include jails, prisons, or places where a judge prohibits firearms in their courtroom.

 

[Decker]

Speaking as a Texan, there are only two signs that I pay attention to wherever I go.
One is the 30.06 sign, a specifically legal sign that WILL result in the prosecution of a CCW carrier if caught. It is very rare that I actually see one of those, and I go a lot of places.
The other sign that I find to be VERY ubiquitous is the one that states exactly as follows:
"NOTICE: The unlicensed possession of a weapon on these premises is a felony with a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment and a fine not to exceed $10,000." (Emphasis on the word "unlicensed").

I very rarely even see a 30.06 sign (I don't shop at liquor stores), and I most often see the "unlicensed possession" sign.

In other words, I carry my defensive weapon wherever I go.

And by the way, I went into Walmart the other day knowing the company's objection to weapons on premises, BUT, the sign I saw on the main entrance door was the "unlicensed possession" sign, not a "no weapons allowed" sign.

I carry concealed, and I conceal well, so unless I know I have to go into a Court House for some reason, I just carry, Period, and don't worry about it.

My right of self defense trumps the right of someone who doesn't want me to carry my gun in their store anyway, because their demand denies my right while my demand to carry for self defense doesn't affect them one little bit as long as my weapon stays holstered... which it most certainly will unless I am called to defend myself or someone else in imminent danger. In that case, the only thing I want to hear from that store owner is "thank you very much".

On the other hand, some store owners are just plain stupid, so if I was in a "no gun" store where the owner was being attacked, I think I might just have to "ride it out" and let things unfold just like the store owner wants it to.
Store where armed citizen saved employee during stabbing posts 'No Guns' sign

 

[e3mrk]

You can always give Them a Business card like this one to show how You feel.

 

[dagmiller]

I carry everywhere I go legally. Even with places with signs saying "no guns", I carry. Only places like the post office, court house and some state land is off limits. The "no firearm" signs are not laws so if for some reason they find out I have one, they can ask me to leave which I have to or it is trespassing other than that I carry.

James

Yes, I saw a "no weapons" sign at the entrance to a hospital in Maine where I had an appointment yesterday for an exam. I was carrying concealed, but entered anyway. In the waiting room, I had a change of heart and asked my wife to put my gun in her purse because I suspected the doc or nurse would see or feel it and I didn't want to invite trouble. In Maine you don't even need a CC permit anymore so my wife was not breaking the law. As it turned out, the nurse would have seen it because she gave me an EKG.
I agree the worst that could have happened had they seen the "micro" is to ask me to leave. I have been in other exam rooms in other clinics with no "postings," the nurse saw my gun and laughed, saying that she also carried. No big deal.

 

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