CC holder - traffic stop gone bad

[Stan O]

However, what initially struck me as strange is the girlfriends behavior. Didn't she seem awfully calm as her boyfriend was sitting there dying? Brought up live stream, talking calmly to the officer. Maybe shock? I don't know, but strange.

She was probably scared to death.

 

[Stan O]

I carry my ID Credential, with badge and all identification in the badge case on the top, left outside pocket of my shirt, jacket or vest. I do not reach for it until the officer is aware and gives his permission. My pistol is IWB, cross-draw position on my left side waist on my belt. I use my left hand to display the credentials, not my right hand.

Are you Law enforcement? If not, what badge?

 

[Rastoff]

...the officer is pointing his gun at a dying man and an unarmed lady with his finger in the trigger guard and his finger on the trigger. He is showing poor trigger disciple which might be an indicator of a poor level of overall training.

This is proper trigger discipline if the target is still moving and could still be a threat.

The Facts as we know them.
1) Car pulled over for broken taillight.
2) Driver tell officer he has a legal gun in car.
3) Police shoots driver 4 times.
5) Police officer rightfuly appears to be very upset and states I told him not to move.
4) Girlfriend with child in back seat films aftermath of shooting and post video to web.
6) Girlfriend remains strangely calm and is cuffed and placed in back of police car,where she continues to film.
She did show some emotion as she is removed from car.
7) No body cam on police officer, maybe one in patrol car?
8) Police Officer was White, driver was Black.

Did I miss any of the KNOWN facts.

The "facts" in green are things we were told, but didn't know for sure. They are now in question.

My home state, NC has a Must notify requirement for CCW. It's strongly suggested, if stopped (in your car) you do the following. Roll window down half way,...

Why only half way? I would roll it down all the way to ensure better communication with the officer.

The thing that gets my attention is the cop drawing his gun in the first place!

This gets my attention as well, but there may be a good explanation for it. If the man really did have a gun in his lap, and the officer saw it, it's reasonable that the policeman had his drawn.

 

[mooosie]

Just read the guy had a gun laying in his lap!


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[Muss Muggins]

Just read the guy had a gun laying in his lap!


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I'm pretty certain that is not correct (that he had a gun in his lap, not the part about you reading that he had a gun in his lap) . . .

 

[sandmansans]

According to the video the officer instructed him to present his lic and registration which was what he was reaching for when he was shot. The officer seems to have given conflicting instructions. The officer at no time refutes that statement on the 9+ minutes of tape. Do you still believe that the officer was justified? Honestly IMHO there are no grounds to make that type of statement. We have video of what occurred after the shooting. Nothing prior to it. We don't know exactly what the CC holder said or even what the cop actually said so I think you are rushing to judgement.

Also if you look at the video the officer is pointing his gun at a dying man and an unarmed lady with his finger in the trigger guard and his finger on the trigger. He is showing poor trigger disciple which might be an indicator of a poor level of overall training.

I agree. And I'll also add this disclaimer I am not part of the black lives matter movement. Nor the group that thinks cops are monsters. But I think poor training played a big part in this. His lack of composure among the other things noted are a cause of concern.

My comment is purely speculative, as is everyone else's because at the end of the day only 2 people know what truly happened. One of which is dead.

**edit
In regards to the comments about the lady live streaming. Yea that was a bit odd, very strange along with her composure. But shock is a mother effer. You'd be surprised how calm you can be when delivered the worst news. It's like you hear and see what's happening, but the part of your brain that handles your emotions hasn't caught up yet. It was like when I got the call my dad died. I was eerily calm. .then an hour later it hit me.


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[walkin' trails]

There is obviously an investigation being conducted, and it will ultimately be reviewed, even re-investigated by FBI/DOJ. It might even be presented to a grand jury. Until that investigation has been completed, we will only be able to speculate. The findings may result in charges, or they may not. At least the facts of the incident that occurred before the record-button got pressed will come to light.

Regardless of your race/ethnicity, if you are a law abiding citizen, and drive courteously and defensively per the laws of your state, you are overwhelming not likely to get pulled over. If you cannot stay between the lines, don't drive or at least leave your gun at home. I see no problem in having your drivers license/registration/insurance readily available without having to make any furtive movements, leaving your seat belt in place so that in the event you are stopped, you don't have to be as jittery.

In a nutshell, use common sense!

 

[Mainsail]

The driver may not have actually had a permit to carry.

Minnesota man was stopped by police in connection with armed robbery - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

 

[Steve912]

The female has very strange reactions to her boyfriend being shoot.

I'm very interested interested in hearing if the deceased was developmentally disabled, and if the female has any background with a "lies matter" group.

 

[Warren Sear]

I'm very interested interested in hearing if the deceased was developmentally disabled, and if the female has any background with a "lies matter" group.

I have not checked, but I am told there are Youtube videos of her smoking dope, so yes, she is definitely developmentally disabled

 

[Steve912]

I have not checked, but I am told there are Youtube videos of her smoking dope, so yes, she is definitely developmentally disabled

LoL...not *her*, the guy that was shot, who she video'd with utterly blase' detachment--as if it was already planned and decided that he was going to get a gun tossed in his lap, as the cop approached.

 

[fr3db3ar]

Nor is still running a commentary where he was a CPL holder.

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[badge]

According to the video the officer instructed him to present his lic and registration which was what he was reaching for when he was shot. The officer seems to have given conflicting instructions. The officer at no time refutes that statement on the 9+ minutes of tape. Do you still believe that the officer was justified? Honestly IMHO there are no grounds to make that type of statement. We have video of what occurred after the shooting. Nothing prior to it. We don't know exactly what the CC holder said or even what the cop actually said so I think you are rushing to judgement.

Also if you look at the video the officer is pointing his gun at a dying man and an unarmed lady with his finger in the trigger guard and his finger on the trigger. He is showing poor trigger disciple which might be an indicator of a poor level of overall training.

Yeah,... so? In my agency ANY suspect shot by us would be HANDCUFFED by us, no matter their condition. The facts are not out and as always, there is way more than meets the eye. Also for the uniformed, females have also shot Policemen as well. Do not allow the lying media to drive your thought process.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Do not allow the lying media to drive your thought process.

Worth repeating.

 

[16thVACav]

If the media reported that the sun would rise tomorrow morning, I would still make sure I had good batteries in my flashlight!

 

[poordevil]

Police do not retreat!