Thinking about CC while in ME for a week. I have a PA LTCF which has reciprocity with ME (and NH). My concern is passing through NJ, NY, CT, MA to and from ME. How do I transport, any other concerns? At this point I am "no go" with this due to NJ, NY, CT, MA .
CC while traveling PA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, NH, ME ???
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Doug M.
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Lock it in a hard case while still in PA. (I used a case that takes 2 padlocks.) Put the hard case in the trunk, preferably inside of another container (suitcase, etc). Likewise the ammo. Do not stop overnight for any reason until you are at least in NH. Period. As far as I can remember, there is no reason you cannot make it in less than a day from anyplace in PA to someplace legally safe (NH). If your doors are open, you are wasting time. Shut up and drive.
If you are going to travel that way regularly, get CT and MA non-resident licenses. Had a MA for years when I was trucking up there; not fast to get, but not a real problem. Still have the CT. If you travel much at all, also get FL and UT. Don't care a lot due to LEOSA, but having the licenses is always a nice fallback.
NEVER ADMIT TO ANYONE THAT THEY ARE IN YOUR POSSESSION. NEVER EVER consent to a search. If you violate either of these rules, pay someone to slap you repeatedly when you get out of custody.
You should expect that you will never be able to lawfully carry (or really, even possess) a pistol in NY or NJ. You can make use of the federal law for travel to get by with transport, but I am pretty sure that it is an affirmative defense which means you would still be arrested and have to prove the defense. It will be expensive, and far more unpleasant than you want to even consider.
If you are going to travel that way regularly, get CT and MA non-resident licenses. Had a MA for years when I was trucking up there; not fast to get, but not a real problem. Still have the CT. If you travel much at all, also get FL and UT. Don't care a lot due to LEOSA, but having the licenses is always a nice fallback.
NEVER ADMIT TO ANYONE THAT THEY ARE IN YOUR POSSESSION. NEVER EVER consent to a search. If you violate either of these rules, pay someone to slap you repeatedly when you get out of custody.
You should expect that you will never be able to lawfully carry (or really, even possess) a pistol in NY or NJ. You can make use of the federal law for travel to get by with transport, but I am pretty sure that it is an affirmative defense which means you would still be arrested and have to prove the defense. It will be expensive, and far more unpleasant than you want to even consider.
scooter123
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New York does NOT recognize the Federal Transport Exemption. As a result if you enter the state of New York with a handgun in your possession you are immediately guilty of the possession of an Unregistered Handgun, a 5 year Felony.
New York also does NOT recognize any other state carry permit, so in New York your carry permit is nothing more than a potential alert to the New York State Police that you may be in possession of a Handgun. BTW, MA. CT, & NJ, also do NOT recognize your permit but usually do recognized the Federal Transport Exemption.
I would advise that you forget about taking a Handgun on your trip. Because there isn't any means of getting to New Hampshire, Vermont, or Maine over public highways that doesn't require transiting through New York.
New York also does NOT recognize any other state carry permit, so in New York your carry permit is nothing more than a potential alert to the New York State Police that you may be in possession of a Handgun. BTW, MA. CT, & NJ, also do NOT recognize your permit but usually do recognized the Federal Transport Exemption.
I would advise that you forget about taking a Handgun on your trip. Because there isn't any means of getting to New Hampshire, Vermont, or Maine over public highways that doesn't require transiting through New York.
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Cal44
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Another choice is to move to the West and stay away from that part of the country.
I live in California and have a license here and also an non resident from Utah.
That covers most Western states other than Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado.
Just got the packet from Arizona (my original home state) and a non-resident license there will cover Nevada and New Mexico .
I get to Nevada fairly often, so coverage there would be useful.
I live in California and have a license here and also an non resident from Utah.
That covers most Western states other than Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado.
Just got the packet from Arizona (my original home state) and a non-resident license there will cover Nevada and New Mexico .
I get to Nevada fairly often, so coverage there would be useful.
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Cal44
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The OP could fly to ME and rent a car there.
But then, if a mechanical problem or weather forces you to divert to NYC or Newark, you could get arrested -- bummer.
But then, if a mechanical problem or weather forces you to divert to NYC or Newark, you could get arrested -- bummer.
petemacmahon
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!@#$%^&*^% the kingdom of NY. How can they just disregard federal law? I think we should start a class action suit.
MA non-resident is theoretically possible, but not really practical. Good for only a year, a lot of paperwork, and you have to make a visit [unarmed] to MA for an interview well prior to maybe getting a license. Wasn't always this way, but it is now.
FWIW, probably not much to you, CT is MUCH more reasonable. You need some kind of proof of training, you apply to the state police, and, presuming a clear record, you will get your license (good for five years) with no hassle. Do allow a little time. Hope this helps. Stay out of NY (and MA!) as much as possible. CT, NH, VT (!) and ME are your friends.
I have family in NJ. I don't visit them.
FWIW, probably not much to you, CT is MUCH more reasonable. You need some kind of proof of training, you apply to the state police, and, presuming a clear record, you will get your license (good for five years) with no hassle. Do allow a little time. Hope this helps. Stay out of NY (and MA!) as much as possible. CT, NH, VT (!) and ME are your friends.
I have family in NJ. I don't visit them.
Protected One
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Considering what the consequences could be as compared to the likely need for your handgun, I would leave them home.
At the very least, I would contact the police in the nearest state you will pass thru that DOES have reciprocity, and make arrangements to to lock them up there before going to NY. and pick them up on your way back. That way you are not unprotectd on the whole trip. I did this when leaving the country going into Canada. The police were very cooperative.
At the very least, I would contact the police in the nearest state you will pass thru that DOES have reciprocity, and make arrangements to to lock them up there before going to NY. and pick them up on your way back. That way you are not unprotectd on the whole trip. I did this when leaving the country going into Canada. The police were very cooperative.
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kthom
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Don't go there, or don't carry at all! Get you a good stout walking cane. It sure beats nothing!!
Packard
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After the school shooting in CT you can be sure that the gun laws will be enforced and that minimum sentences will not used.
After the school shooting in CT you can be sure that the gun laws will be enforced and that minimum sentences will not used.
petemacmahon
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I had the same issue in June when we had a trip from my home to Erie, then up to South West Harbor, ME. I did the research. Both NY & MA are really "NO GO" states and I could not get from Erie to ME without traversing one of them. MA even regulates ammo or explosive cartridges. So, even my Kimber PepperBlaster was not an option. Peeved me no end.
Packard
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When I cannot carry my revolver I carry pepper spray.
And I always carry my Blackswift Raven:
BlackSwift Sticks - walking stick self defense
With the Raven I could incapacitate a man with a knife before you could get your hand on the butt of your gun. It takes a bit of practice before you can maximize the damage potential of the Blackswift (it is a whipping motion), but once you have that down pat it is a highly effective weapon and legal to carry on airplanes.
It is not a substitute for a handgun but a nice addition.
Once you get used to using a walking stick it feels funny not having one. It gives you stride a cadence that is very nice. I forget I am carrying it while I am walking. I work the stick ambidextrously so I can keep my strong hand free for reaching for my gun. I can simply drop the stick on the ground at any time to free up my hands.
The fiberglass ones are super-durable; the graphite one is too fragile for heavy bag training.
And I always carry my Blackswift Raven:
BlackSwift Sticks - walking stick self defense
With the Raven I could incapacitate a man with a knife before you could get your hand on the butt of your gun. It takes a bit of practice before you can maximize the damage potential of the Blackswift (it is a whipping motion), but once you have that down pat it is a highly effective weapon and legal to carry on airplanes.
It is not a substitute for a handgun but a nice addition.
Once you get used to using a walking stick it feels funny not having one. It gives you stride a cadence that is very nice. I forget I am carrying it while I am walking. I work the stick ambidextrously so I can keep my strong hand free for reaching for my gun. I can simply drop the stick on the ground at any time to free up my hands.
The fiberglass ones are super-durable; the graphite one is too fragile for heavy bag training.
Cal44
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I'm glad I live in gun-friendly California. 
Joe citizens from other states can't carry concealed here, but at least you can bring your weapon into the state if you lock it, unloaded, in a case in the trunk.
Handguns are registered here when you buy them, and if you move into the state to live here as your primary residence, you have some period in which you have to register them.
If you have lived here for a long time, and you have an old colt 45 acp your grand dad brought back from WWII, I don't think you have to register it. (Not sure about that, though).
A tourist passing though the state with a property locked-up gun in the trunk won't get busted for having an unregistered handgun.
Disclaimer: As always, Internet legal advice is worth every penny you pay for it.
Joe citizens from other states can't carry concealed here, but at least you can bring your weapon into the state if you lock it, unloaded, in a case in the trunk.
Handguns are registered here when you buy them, and if you move into the state to live here as your primary residence, you have some period in which you have to register them.
If you have lived here for a long time, and you have an old colt 45 acp your grand dad brought back from WWII, I don't think you have to register it. (Not sure about that, though).
A tourist passing though the state with a property locked-up gun in the trunk won't get busted for having an unregistered handgun.
Disclaimer: As always, Internet legal advice is worth every penny you pay for it.
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Doug M.
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What this means is you have to use the affirmative defense, after arrest. It does not mean that the defense will not eventually work. Remember also that most of the horror stories are the result of really dumb behavior that get some skylined and arrested, then the gun issue becomes a problem. Keep your mouth shut, make sure that everyone in your car understands that this is non-negotiable, even assuming they know you own or are transporting a firearm.
As for stopping, yeah, pit stops are workable, and not a real issue. Overnight or the like is a no go.
NJDevil72
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You can travel through New York state without any issue as long as the gun is locked away. It's New York City which has the ridiculous possession laws but if you're driving through on the interstates there's nothing to worry about. A person driving through the state of New York is not going to be violating any laws.
"New York does NOT recognize the Federal Transport Exemption. As a result if you enter the state of New York with a handgun in your possession you are immediately guilty of the possession of an Unregistered Handgun, a 5 year Felony."
The above is "incorrect information."
The Federal Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit [PA, NJ but not NY] has ruled that the "Federal Exemption" does not apply to airline travel. NYC has chosen to follow this ruling. All the buzz & arrests in NY have been at airports in the NYC area.
If you are driving & follow the rules to the letter, you are protected by the federal law, which NY state does recognize.
Poster #2 hit the nail on the head. Handgunlaw.us ,operated by a forum member, is the best guide to the facts. Use this before or instead of relying on opinion here.
The above is "incorrect information."
The Federal Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit [PA, NJ but not NY] has ruled that the "Federal Exemption" does not apply to airline travel. NYC has chosen to follow this ruling. All the buzz & arrests in NY have been at airports in the NYC area.
If you are driving & follow the rules to the letter, you are protected by the federal law, which NY state does recognize.
Poster #2 hit the nail on the head. Handgunlaw.us ,operated by a forum member, is the best guide to the facts. Use this before or instead of relying on opinion here.
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