CCW with no LTC

[MichiganScott]

It depends on the state. Here in Michigan We are responsible to Always have our CPL when carrying concealed:



Proper Conduct During Encounters with Police

Responsibilities of Individuals With a Concealed Pistol License:
An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol who is stopped by a police officer (traffic stop or otherwise) while in possession of a pistol shall immediately disclose to the police officer that he or she is carrying a concealed pistol either on their person or in their motor vehicle.
Failure to disclose this information to a police officer carries the following penalties:
First offense = State Civil Infraction - $500 fine and 6-month CPL license suspension.
Second offense = State Civil Infraction - $1000 fine and CPL license revocation.
An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall have the license in his or her possession at all times he or she is carrying a concealed pistol.
Failure to possess CPL license when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and a $100.00 fine.
Upon request, an individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol shall show both of the following to a police officer:
His or her license to carry a concealed pistol
His or her driver license or personal identification card
Failure to show CPL license and Michigan driver license or Michigan personal identification card when carrying a concealed pistol is a State Civil Infraction and $100.00 fine.
A pistol carried in violation of numbers 1, 2, or 3 is subject to immediate seizure by a police officer.
If a pistol is seized for failure to possess a CPL while carrying a concealed pistol:
Individual has 45 days in which to display their license to carry a concealed pistol to the law enforcement agency that seized the pistol and the pistol shall be returned.
If the individual does not display their license to carry a concealed pistol within 45 days the pistol is subject to forfeiture.

It is important to know the laws in your state and also in states you may travel to.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I've also found out that it can be beneficial to notify the officer that you have a permit but are not carrying. My son-in-law and I have both been pulled over at different times and notified the officer that we had a permit, but no gun. We were both thanked for doing so and let go without a ticket.

 

[speedyquad]

Sorry but I disagree. If you're going to carry responsibly, you don't forget your wallet. You don't forget your permit. You don't forget to renew your drivers license or car insurance.

If/when you get pulled over, cops don't care WHY. Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. Neither is forgetfulness.

this!

if i plan on driving, i check my pocket for my wallet just before i walk out the door and then again as i get in my vehicle. i do this even if i am just bringing my vehicle from being parked on the curb across the street into my driveway.

 

[Smoke]

I am pretty anal about checking for my wallet but I have forgotten it once or twice. I don’t think a random incident equates to irresponsibility, an ongoing pattern of behavior where you continually walk out the door without your wallet maybe but not a one time lapse.

That said, in Colorado no permit is required for you to carry in your car if you are caught on foot it creates what the law calls a rebuttable presumption that you don’t have a permit and it’s handled like driving without an insurance card. They give you a court date and on or before that date you show up with a permit issued before the day you got ticketed and they dismiss the case.

 

[Jaysq]

It's my understanding from my CCW class that here in NC your CCW is linked to your drivers license number. So if you get stopped and they run your license they will know you have a CCW.

That is correct, Jim. You also have to tell the officer that you have a permit and are carrying concealed. Not sure if they can track it by your tag number as the OP was wondering what would happen if you did not have your CCW permit with you.

 

[TheYoungblood]

In Alabama permits are not linked to drivers license. If you do not have permit on you then the officer contacts the issuing county you claim to have received it from. It can be a quick call or a lengthy wait depending on how busy the S.O. is at that time. There is no option to carry a loaded or accessible handgun inside the passenger area of a vehicle here without permit or reciprocity recognized permit...

 

[The Big D]

FWIW, I guarantee I would be in big trouble (if not in handcuffs) were I somehow (for any reason) id'd as toting a gun in NYC or any other place I frequent and could not immediately produce my LEOSA credentials, in full.

With that in mind, I am careful to comply with all requirements associated with carrying a concealed weapon. IMHO, my personal failure to do so would be irresponsible...and unlawful.

Be safe.

 

[Doug M.]

This will vary from state to state, so answers generated here will likewise vary. My carry license(s), retired ID, and other critical stuff are with my DL in a small ID case (I no longer carry a traditional wallet, and I gave up on hip pocket carry of my ID a decade ago because it does a lot of damage to the nerves in that area). Making sure you have your DL, carry license and other critical stuff is not an option; it is part of being a responsible armed adult. Don't F(oul) Up.

 

[Damn Yankee]

In Ms we have open carry law. Solves a lot of problems.

Mississippi | OpenCarry.org

 

[rlongclu]

Correct. You may have erred but it does not equate being irresponsible. What if you had your wallet but it fell out at home when you got out of your chair and you didn't realize it? Are you still irresponsible?

Irresponsible is leaving your minor kids home alone while you go drink/gamble.

Irresponsible is leaving your pet in a 100+ degree car while you shop for 3 hours.

Irresponsible is leaving your gun out where anybody can grab it.

Having your gun in your possession but having FORGOTTEN your WALLET is not being irresponsible IMO.

With all due respect, the first three you mention are NEGLIGENCE, the fourth is irresponsible. JMO

 

[Protected One]

My carry license(s), retired ID, and other critical stuff are with my DL in a small ID case (I no longer carry a traditional wallet, and I gave up on hip pocket carry of my ID a decade ago).

DITTO! Traditional wallet carry (hip pocket) has been medically proven to cause spinal misalignment. The thicker the wallet the more severe the misalignment.

 

[SMSgt]

DL and CWFL are not linked in FL either, and not having your license and required ID is a non-criminal civil penalty of $25. How that works out with the LEO at the time of the stop is another question altogether. I think LEOs can access the CWFL system, but it takes a different check beyond a DL check.

 

[wittmeba]

This isn't what you're thinking!

If one is driving and gets pulled over for a minor traffic infraction but you don't have your license because you left your wallet at home, it's generally not a big deal as they just look you up in the system and can see the status of your driving privileges.

But what if you are carrying concealed and you don't have your permit with you because it's in the same wallet back at home? Is there a penalty/fine for that? I spoke to a cop yesterday and he said that he had no way to check an LTC permit from his cruiser and would have to take the weapon back to the station until I presented my permit.

This seems like the perfect situation to be courteous and professional and if they can't verify my CWP I would be ok with him taking my weapon.

People make mistakes. We forget things but that isn't an excuse but we are human. I want to meet one who doesn't fall into this category.

 

[Jaysq]

DITTO! Traditional wallet carry (hip pocket) has been medically proven to cause spinal misalignment. The thicker the wallet the more severe the misalignment.

You guys must have more money than me. I never have enough in my wallet to injure my spine.

 

[Protected One]

You guys must have more money than me. I never have enough in my wallet to injure my spine.

The biggest culprit in thick wallets is not money, but all the other "****" men tend to keep in them. Average wallet is about 1" thick.

 

[Stevens]

My Louisiana permit lists my Drivers Lic. number so maybe they are cross referenced. Of course, my CCW lic is not listed on the Drivers Lic.
Steve W

 

[Doug M.]

Depending on the state's laws, presenting the license later would be at best an affirmative defense. Here in Washington, for example, it becomes a civil infraction (like a fine only traffic ticket), BUT ONLY LATER. You can be arrested, booked, held to see a judge, have to post bond, etc, and then go to court. Your firearm would be held, etc, and in the People's Republic of the I5 Corridor at least, getting it returned in a timely manner would be an unholy pain the backside. The penalty in time lost, money expended, and embarrassment from the record of arrest and booking and all the other crud would be staggering. Your car would be towed - which is a ton of bucks. If I am traveling with my dog, he is at extreme risk because he is big and hates strangers. There are all kinds of bad things that can happen, and they are solely under your control and solely your fault if they do.

Unless you have been through that, or put others through it for legally appropriate reasons (as I have in both LE and prosecution, although not for a firearm offense of this nature), you have NO IDEA what you are risking by the irresponsible act involved. In some states, the reaction could be even worse because of the likely administrative responses to the event.

Carrying a firearm is serious business, and the standards that have to apply are high. If you are not responsible enough to ensure that you are always in compliance with the legal mandates that go with carrying, you have two choices: don't carry, or un(screw) yourself.

 

[dajogejr]

In Ms we have open carry law. Solves a lot of problems.

Mississippi | OpenCarry.org

We have open carry in MI too, however, in the car or vehicle...if you don't have a CPL, it must be cased and inaccessible to passengers/driver. Also must be unloaded and separated from ammo.

If you have a CPL, you can have it in plain sight on the dash board if you wanted too...

Good idea to not only become familiar with open/ccw laws while traveling both in your state, and surrounding states you may visit/drive through.

 

[P&R Fan]

A few years ago I was an hour away from home. Looked at the plates on my SUV and realized they were expired. Called the county treasurers office and renewed them over the phone with a credit card. Then I realized we had no insurance card. Dang it. THEN, I realized I had lost my carry permit. I was carrying two revolvers. I called my local Sheriffs department and explained all that to the deputy. He laughed and said if I get pulled over they can advise the officer that I have current tags, and a carry permit. Whew.

I drove home REAL careful.
Jim

 

[SgtLumpy]

... What if you had your wallet but it fell out at home when you got out of your chair and you didn't realize it? Are you still irresponsible?

Absolutely. It's SOMEBODY's responsibility to have that license in posession. And that somebody is...guess who.

As others have pointed out, you appear to committing at least three violations. 1) traffic violation(s), 2) no driver lic, 3) carrying a weapon without a permit. Using the excuse "It fell out in my chair and I didn't realize it" is not much different than "I didn't stop for the stop sign but it was because I didn't realize it". You're either acting responsibly or you're not. You're either abiding by the law or you're not. Blaming it on the chair is NOT acting responsibly.

Take responsibility for your own actions. Or ask the cop to take your chair to jail instead of you.


Sgt Lumpy

 

[hogwylde]

With all due respect, the first three you mention are NEGLIGENCE, the fourth is irresponsible. JMO

So if you purposely leave your underage kids at home while you go drink - you're being negligent? But if you forget or inadvertently dropped your wallet at home - it's being irresponsible?

Let me put it in another scenario for you in hopes of you understanding of what I am trying to say..

Lets suppose you are carrying your handgun and your permit but managed to drop your wallet while out shopping (or maybe even got pick-pocketed) and on the way home you get pulled over for having a license plate bulb being burnt out. As you reach your wallet you realize it is gone! Have you suddenly gone from being a law abiding citizen to an irresponsible jerk?