CMP 1911 Arrived!

[les.b]

Actually they went over 7500 today, but some say that they started the numbers at 1000. So they are really up to 6500. But.... There is a post today that cites a GAO review of the project which estimates that there are going to be something like 7500 pistols able to be sold. Only a few that are suitable for the auction, and on,y a few that are not worthy of being sold. Sounds pretty good to me. And it looks certain that all 19,000 are going to get a number, and they will just start selling to the first person that was at the end of this years numbers. If all that makes any sense. It's been a long day for me, and I'm just rambling....

Hers a link to the pertinent thread: http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=241370

Best Regards, Les

 

[AlexJay]

Since it has been brought up in the Forum and the discussion is out there, I haven't heard anything from CMP yet and still unsure of the process or if I'm out of the lottery. Looks like a few of you have been contacted. Has it been by email? If by phone, is it a robot call, my phone aborts them, or a real human? Thanks

I was sent an email that gave me my lottery number. It also said they would call me and don’t call them.


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[199]

I received my lottery number (36XX) last Dec. 19. ... My son applied at the same time I did and he did not receive a number so we're guessing he's out. ...

Not at all.

Numbers were assigned randomly, not chronologically by date received.

He's still in.

 

[T.May]

As for the market the CMP pistols are going to bring, I've already been offered $1500 for mine. I declined. And I'm never selling it anyway so who cares what the market brings? I definitely don't see it dropping in price, unlike what virtually every other gun does the second you take it out of the store.

I was referring to the market that has existed long before this recent CMP sale. The same market that actually made the pistol you just purchased cost over $1K when it would have sold for around $20.00 back in the 1970's. I understand that not everybody owns these pistols for the same reason but there are a LOT of people out there that also look at them as more of a financial investment in addition to their historical significants.

No one is wrong or better for their particular interest over anyone else. Variety is what makes the world go round.

For instance....
Colt 1911 No. 347 ALL ORIGINAL! C&R Okay - Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com : 797834707)

 

[kbm6893]

I was referring to the market that has existed long before this recent CMP sale. The same market that actually made the pistol you just purchased cost over $1K when it would have sold for around $20.00 back in the 1970's. I understand that not everybody owns these pistols for the same reason but there are a LOT of people out there that also look at them as more of a financial investment in addition to their historical significants.

No one is wrong or better for their particular interest over anyone else. Variety is what makes the world go round.

For instance....
Colt 1911 No. 347 ALL ORIGINAL! C&R Okay - Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com : 797834707)

The introduction of the CMP 1911’s into the market will probably have an impact on the cost of a real GI 1911, but I don’t care. I don’t see myself ever selling it and I highly doubt they’re ever gonna go below the $1050 I paid. If they do, so be it. With the current political climate I don’t see the sales continuing for long anyway. They only get to sell up to 10,000 a year and this year only chose to sell 8000 for some reason.

But whatever. I acknowledge an all correct GI 1911 is worth more. But the last one was made in 1945. So the guys carrying them in Korea and Vietnam and all the skirmishes before and since, more than likely had a mixmaster arsenal rebuild.

 

[church714]

MAhole

I live in the Peoples Republic of MA- the only state that cannot register to own a piece of history. Imagine? I am sooo sad. Congrats on your good fortune!

 

[packrat2]

CMP 1911

After reading the CMP 1911 forum, all 19,000 who put in the papers will get a number, and sooner or later will get a call to buy a 1911. I have not got my number yet but check email every two hours..Look at the photos of the 1911s people are getting on the CMP forum.

 

[Trace]

CMP contact process

Thanks for the great info..unfortunately, all of the contact that has happened to you has yet to happen to me..no email, lottery number, phone call...guessing I'm out. Always was a wheel guy anyway!

 

[kbm6893]

Thanks for the great info..unfortunately, all of the contact that has happened to you has yet to happen to me..no email, lottery number, phone call...guessing I'm out. Always was a wheel guy anyway!

Not over yet. They've seemed to speed up the process. Your packet was sent. You'll get a number. When they call, make your decision then.

 

[packrat2]

You are not out..

Thanks for the great info..unfortunately, all of the contact that has happened to you has yet to happen to me..no email, lottery number, phone call...guessing I'm out. Always was a wheel guy anyway!

If you mailed a packet in you will get a number, if packet did not have right paper work {no FFL ect.} CMP will steal call to fix the problem...

 

[Frank46]

I have a 1943 Ithaca that I got from a WWII veteran. Has that dark green parkerization on it. From what I can see of the OP's Colt it looks like it should get a coat of oil. I saw the video that the NRA did when they were getting ready to check all makes and serial number checks. Just about everyone looked like his. You got your money's worth that's for sure. Beautiful 45. Frank

 

[biku324]

I'm still of the opposite mindset. This would be a terrific piece at $500. A mix-master government 1911 just isn't a $1000 gun to me. I know that everyone compares them to the GI-issued guns already in circulation, but that doesn't factor in that the supply is about to increase by 85,000 pieces over the next few years.

That 85,000 number goes back to 85,000 total pieces being repatriated from the Philippine Armed Forces (it's a lengthy process - I just left Manila after 5 years there and we had been hearing about this through JUSMAG for the last couple of years). The deal is that the weapons are a mix of Garands, 1911A1s, Thompsons, BARs (M1918A3 with the rate-of-fire selector), M-1 & M-2 carbines, M1919A4 & A6 LMGs, and M3s. They won't be all pistols, and many of the repatriated weapons (all of the full-auto) will have to be destroyed, or at least the receivers destroyed, rather than released. They are Korean War vintage, which will include some WW II rebuilds; all are un-issued (to the AFP) and in cosmoline.

 

[kbm6893]

I have a 1943 Ithaca that I got from a WWII veteran. Has that dark green parkerization on it. From what I can see of the OP's Colt it looks like it should get a coat of oil. I saw the video that the NRA did when they were getting ready to check all makes and serial number checks. Just about everyone looked like his. You got your money's worth that's for sure. Beautiful 45. Frank

Already done. Cleaned and oiled. Looks much better now.

 

[BigBill]

I tend to doubt that these newly released CMP 1911's are going to have a serious impact on the collector market. I expect original issue 1911's and 1911-A1's are still going to fetch more than an arsenal rebuild. It would be different if the CMP had come into possession of thousands of 1911's that were original issue.

I come from the military surplus collecting First originality first. It even counts to be orginal with the Chinese sks collectors. All of these guys are very fussy. I wonder what price they would be not refurbished? I’m sure the ones in the click with CMP get the best ones.

 

[diyj98]

I come from the military surplus collecting First originality first. It even counts to be orginal with the Chinese sks collectors. All of these guys are very fussy. I wonder what price they would be not refurbished? I’m sure the ones in the click with CMP get the best ones.

I'm sure. I've heard some people from military forums get first pick from some of the importers in order to get good reviews.

 

[hoss@fol43]

I come from the military surplus collecting First originality first. It even counts to be orginal with the Chinese sks collectors. All of these guys are very fussy. I wonder what price they would be not refurbished? I’m sure the ones in the click with CMP get the best ones.

According to the CMP site Auctions for 1911A1's will begin in late 2019. Those should be the really nice ones that CMP has picked out to auction at a much higher price than the grades currently being sold for. If you already have received your mix-master or have agreed to accept one of the service grades you can't get in on the ones up for auction. You had to specify if you wanted to wait for the auction pieces. CMP did the same thing with the M1A1 original paratrooper folding stock carbines, which went for much more at auction prices than the service or rack grade carbines.

 

[chief38]

kbm6893,

Nice! I am curious as to what the ANAD 7 76 stamping behind the trigger on the right side stands for. I assume the 7 76 is a date but have no idea of what the ANAD means.

 

[kbm6893]

kbm6893,

Nice! I am curious as to what the ANAD 7 76 stamping behind the trigger on the right side stands for. I assume the 7 76 is a date but have no idea of what the ANAD means.

It was re-built at the Anniston Army Depot in July, 1976. I didn't realize the date but somebody pointed out it was the bicentenial of America so I think that's pretty cool. Probably after that, it went into a crate, only to be opened 42 years later and sent to me!

 

[chief38]

It was re-built at the Anniston Army Depot in July, 1976. I didn't realize the date but somebody pointed out it was the bicentenial of America so I think that's pretty cool. Probably after that, it went into a crate, only to be opened 42 years later and sent to me!

Thank you! Cool

 

[kbm6893]

I'm still of the opposite mindset. This would be a terrific piece at $500. A mix-master government 1911 just isn't a $1000 gun to me. I know that everyone compares them to the GI-issued guns already in circulation, but that doesn't factor in that the supply is about to increase by 85,000 pieces over the next few years.

I would jump on this if they treated them like they did the Garands (mix-master/decent shooter for sub-$700...at least until very recently). But at more than a grand, I applaud other people's happiness but clear as glass to me that I would be immeasurably disappointed.

An entry level GI clone from Kahr or RIA (the RIA one has the gaudy lettering in white on the slide) is what, $500? You think a 75 year old weapon that was issued to American GI’s should cost as much as a clone made in either Brazil or the Philippine’s?

Is the price high? Maybe a tad. To even get these things the CMP has to jump through many hoops. Building a separate building and vault to house them. Staff to sort and grade them. Staff to go through 19,000 applications and verify their correctness, then individually call everybody to get payment and ship the guns. Some of the guns will be rack and field grade which will cost less, but be in worse condition. I wasn’t interested in those.

I’m normally a pretty frugal guy. Sold off a few guns I had to pay for this piece of history. But to me, there’s no comparison between a foreign made budget MIM parts having GI clone to a gun that has been there and done that. Whether it stormed the beach at Normandy or guarded Quonset huts filled with dirty GI underwear, it did so while on the hip of an American GI. And that is enough to warrant the couple hundred bucks more than you feel they are worth, to me.