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Betcha HE'LL have a concealed carry badge!
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Betcha HE'LL have a concealed carry badge!
SchemaEnigma
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A few winters back I was clearing snow from my driveway when a guy walked up the road to my house. He was wearing a state police windbreaker and had a stern continence. He started to ask me questions about a car accident down the street. He wanted to know if I had seen the accident and said that a car had left the scene.
Since this was on a local street, he didn't identify himself, and was playing hard ***, I asked him if he was an officer. Instead of answering, he said that he was asking me questions.
Since he was standing in my driveway, I suggested he might want to leave if he wasn't going to identify himself.
He left and went down the hill, I went back to clearing the driveway. He got into a SUV and then just sat there.
After thinking about it a bit, I called the business number of the town PD and asked them to send a cruiser by the address. No rush, no emergency, but if they had a spare unit available.
Some time later a cruiser showed up and the officer talked to the guy. After that, the officer came up the and talked to me. I hadn't asked for that, but then again, it was okay.
The officer explained that the guy wasn't a state trooper (which I expected), but had competed in a golf tournament sponsored by the trooper's association and been given the wind breaker. Which he only told the officer when the officer said he would call a trooper he knew and ask who the guy was.
Turned out that the guy was the father in law of the young couple who had recently moved in. Someone had hit his wife's car and taken off. He was just trying to find out if someone had seen the accident.
Now, if he had just come up the hill and asked me that, I would still wouldn't have been able to help him, but would have sympathized with him.
All he had to do was not be a Richard about it and he wouldn't have raised suspicions.
Actually, there is a specific state law about not wearing the insignia of an organization of which you are not a member. It's been used a couple of times to arrest people impersonating an EMT.
Since this was on a local street, he didn't identify himself, and was playing hard ***, I asked him if he was an officer. Instead of answering, he said that he was asking me questions.
Since he was standing in my driveway, I suggested he might want to leave if he wasn't going to identify himself.
He left and went down the hill, I went back to clearing the driveway. He got into a SUV and then just sat there.
After thinking about it a bit, I called the business number of the town PD and asked them to send a cruiser by the address. No rush, no emergency, but if they had a spare unit available.
Some time later a cruiser showed up and the officer talked to the guy. After that, the officer came up the and talked to me. I hadn't asked for that, but then again, it was okay.
The officer explained that the guy wasn't a state trooper (which I expected), but had competed in a golf tournament sponsored by the trooper's association and been given the wind breaker. Which he only told the officer when the officer said he would call a trooper he knew and ask who the guy was.
Turned out that the guy was the father in law of the young couple who had recently moved in. Someone had hit his wife's car and taken off. He was just trying to find out if someone had seen the accident.
Now, if he had just come up the hill and asked me that, I would still wouldn't have been able to help him, but would have sympathized with him.
All he had to do was not be a Richard about it and he wouldn't have raised suspicions.
Actually, there is a specific state law about not wearing the insignia of an organization of which you are not a member. It's been used a couple of times to arrest people impersonating an EMT.
Just wear an FBI wind breaker.But seriously, what's to keep the bad guys from carrying a concealed carry badge so the cops won't shoot them?
While I agree on the don't carry a badge CA is a different world from the states here in the south when it comes to firearms and many other laws. Thank goodness.
Same mentality of those who OC their ARs at Piggly Wiggly; just because you can doesn't mean you should.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Next time you see him tell him about the forum-it would be nice to reparte in the lounge with him. Lee would stroke out
Llew Taranau
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aka the "Shoot Me First" badge.
Mike_Fontenot
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Yeah. I think it MIGHT make it less likely that I will be mistaken for a bad guy and shot, if I need to draw my gun in public.
Mike_Fontenot
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It's normally NOT displayed. If I'm in a public place where a bad guy is making his presence known, and IF I don't need to draw my gun IMMEDIATELY, I would take my badge out of my shirt pocket, and loop it around my neck. THEN I would draw my gun. Despite what many have argued, I believe having that badge visible from a distance might lessen the chances that I will be mistaken for a bad guy (either by a cop, or by another CWP-holder).
sigp220.45
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So you go about your life with a play badge on a chain in your shirt pocket in case you run into this narrowly-defined and pretty unlikely situation?
If its legal and it makes you feel better, have at it.
kwill1911
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Unlikely, and it increases the odds you'll be shot by a bad guy. I'm not a lawyer or LEO but I think in most jurisdictions you have a duty to retreat if you aren't immediately threatened. CHL/CWP/whatever is not a license to hunt bad guys.
Wrong. Do as you wish but don't ask for prayers here when you get shot or arrested for impersonation.
Mike_Fontenot
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I don't expect to walk away because of the badge. I'm just hoping to avoid being mistaken for a bad guy, and immediately shot.
What's a COTD?
Mike_Fontenot
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The ID card can't been seen from a distance. The badge can.
I'm trying to think of a kind way to dissuade you of both your practice and your belief.
One of our messy-ist shootings was on I-40 with a guy carrying a badge. He had murdered his wife in CA; he soaked up 8 rounds of 45 ACP and 7 or 8 of 9mm. If I or my people were responding to a 'shots fired' or 'man brandishing (women seldom do this),' we already know our people or local agency personnel aren't there from the dispatch, either radio or data. Someone with a badge and a gun is primarily someone with a gun, and an off-duty officer will already know how to avoid getting shot - empty hands.
Please don't continue this practice.
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Not only a bad idea, its Illegal in North Carolina. (See Subsection (a) (2) below).
North Carolina General Statute: § 14-277. Impersonation of a law-enforcement or other public officer.
(a) No person shall falsely represent to another that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer. As used in this section, a person represents that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer if he:
(1) Verbally informs another that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer, whether or not the representation refers to a particular agency;
(2) Displays any badge or identification signifying to a reasonable individual that the person is a sworn law-enforcement officer, whether or not the badge or other identification refers to a particular law-enforcement agency;
(3) Unlawfully operates a vehicle on a public street, highway or public vehicular area with an operating red light as defined in G.S. 20-130.1(a); or
(4) Unlawfully operates a vehicle on a public street, highway, or public vehicular area with an operating blue light as defined in G.S. 20-130.1(c)
North Carolina General Statute: § 14-277. Impersonation of a law-enforcement or other public officer.
(a) No person shall falsely represent to another that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer. As used in this section, a person represents that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer if he:
(1) Verbally informs another that he is a sworn law-enforcement officer, whether or not the representation refers to a particular agency;
(2) Displays any badge or identification signifying to a reasonable individual that the person is a sworn law-enforcement officer, whether or not the badge or other identification refers to a particular law-enforcement agency;
(3) Unlawfully operates a vehicle on a public street, highway or public vehicular area with an operating red light as defined in G.S. 20-130.1(a); or
(4) Unlawfully operates a vehicle on a public street, highway, or public vehicular area with an operating blue light as defined in G.S. 20-130.1(c)
Mike_Fontenot
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For all of us who have a CWP and carry concealed every day, it's very unlikely we'll ever need that gun. But we still do it, and I think that's a good thing.
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