Could I get a little help from the brain trust?

I'm afraid you'll have to explain that one to me.
What Gary is getting at is that the picture seems to show only the brass of the medallions. In this period (1910 to 1920) the medallions were made of brass with a thin wash of gold over them. Appearances indicate the gold has been removed (scrubbed off), leaving only the underlying brass.
 
What Gary is getting at is that the picture seems to show only the brass of the medallions. In this period (1910 to 1920) the medallions were made of brass with a thin wash of gold over them. Appearances indicate the gold has been removed (scrubbed off), leaving only the underlying brass.

Oh, OK. I didn't know about the gold. I was confused when he said
I believe you might have polished off the gold on those medallions??
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Someone might have, but it wasn't me. Not Guilty. ;) I admit that I'm quick to grab Flitz and a rag, but in this case, it won't me.

:D

Sorry Gary. My misunderstanding.
 
You notice I did NOT call it a "Pre Model 10." I said that's what it was marked as at the LGS. The guy behind the counter said he didn't know who made the tag, but it wasn't him. He knew it was a M&P. It's just neither one of us was sure exactly WHICH M&P it was. I told him not to worry about it. If most people saw it tagged as a M&P they'd tell him it was wrong because a M&P is a semi-auto. ;)

This is the predictable result of one of the subsequent owners of S&W, Saf-T Hammer I believe, when they started naming nearly every S&W product as a M&P! This sure does cause un-necessary confusion when people who are not intimately familiar with S&W nomenclature are talking or asking about S&W products. They were attempting to take advantage of the reputation and popularity of the S&W revolver line that had been called this since 1899 and imply that the later models were equal to the renowned M&P revolver.
 
Sorry, I added that the stocks I was referring to was 4K2022, not you. Jack took care of the reasons to suspect.

Yes thanks Jack. I added the picture to this thread because I wanted to offer a comparison set. I don’t know if I could tell gold from brass,,, when looking at pictures,, like those in the OP.
What tell tale sign(s) of remaining gold wash is actually visible enough to be seen in pictures? In the picture I posted the center stud is visible!

Next you will probably tell me these are not Silver
 

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Nothing wrong with those stocks, as they look to be in great shape. I can tell from the color, and from experience, that the gold wash was so thin that you can not even clean them. I learned this early in my collecting days when I received a gun with worn stocks and dark medallions. I set about cleaning them with a Q-tip and Brasso. When done, they were as shinny as a new penney, but almost look sliver. There was a brief time when they looked like gold as the brass oxidized, then returned to dull color over time.

I took your picture and edited it to bring out where the brass was and where the gold remains. Look for the light silvery brass color on most of the left side, and the same color just on the raised portion on the right stock. I also added a new-old-stock set that our expert stock/grip restorer, Curtis, did that show the true color of unpolished original gold medallions. Hope this helps.

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Nothing wrong with those stocks, as they look to be in great shape. I can tell from the color, and from experience, that the gold wash was so thin that you can not even clean them. I learned this early in my collecting days when I received a gun with worn stocks and dark medallions. I set about cleaning them with a Q-tip and Brasso. When done, they were as shinny as a new penney, but almost look sliver. There was a brief time when they looked like gold as the brass oxidized, then returned to dull color over time.

I took your picture and edited it to bring out where the brass was and where the gold remains. Look for the light silvery brass color on most of the left side, and the same color just on the raised portion on the right stock. I also added a new-old-stock set that our expert stock/grip restorer, Curtis, did that show the true color of unpolished original gold medallions. Hope this helps.

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Thanks for your time. This is most helpful. You’ve mentioned before the comparisons to a known example! Experience is often an expensive instructor
 
Given the serial number and the large monogram on the left side, I'd suggest just before we entered WWI. Maybe circa 1915.

The stocks are period correct and probably original.

And yes, it has been back to the Service Department. If you can check the left side of the grip frame (under the stocks) you will probably find a service date.

The last patent date on the barrel should be Dec. 29, 1914.

Got it home this morning, and cleaned it up a bit and it's more or less presentable I suppose.

The stocks are original. The S/N is written in pencil on both of them actually.

It went back to the service department in 6/16 by the number on the left side of the grip frame.

The last patent date on the barrel appears to be Sept 14, 09.

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It's not "like new" but I don't guess it's too bad for being 100 + years old. It works in my motley accumilation anyway. It still needs to be flushed with gunscrubber, oiled and the bore and charge holes cleaned. I know. I should have done that first, but I don't mind doing the wax job twice. :D

Hope to get it to the range with some wadcutters tomorrow.
 
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My Son-in-law was gifted a S&W handejector, 32 long.
What might he actually have? Some photos attached. Sorry for the low quality, but they are all I have. Not sure stocks are original or not.

Thanks for your help.

You should start your own thread on this.

Kevin
 

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