Couple of Primers Didn't Ignite First Time-**UPDATE**

[hangnoose]

CHECKING PRIMER SEATING DEPTH.

Look at them with your finger tips. You should be able to feel that they are below flush, & if so they should be flattened also. Beyond that it's time to look at the gun. Good luck.

 

[chief38]

Check to make sure your primers were seated all the way as that could be your problem. If you have no failures to fire with Factory, than I would think either it's your seating depth or you got a bad batch of primers which is PRETTY RARE. I use which ever of the Federal, CCI, Winchester or Remington primers are the least expensive or available at the time (usually Winchester and Federal) and have only had a couple of Rem's fail over 35 years. When I say a couple I am not kidding - maybe 2 or 3 - that's it. I have reloaded so many rounds over that time (hundreds of thousands) and with only a couple of bad primers I;d say it's RARE and a non-issue. So the first place I'd check is your primer seating.

Of course if you have lightened the trigger pull that could also be the problem!

 

[Aussie Collector]

Check the firing pin, if the pin has bent and can hit the frame on the way to the primer it will reduce the inertia. I have seen this occur and it presented as an intermittent fail to fire one in 20 or so, with the second hit setting it off. It was a model 66-2, I have not used it since the pin was replaced however I have no doubt its fixed. The gun was used in competition, double action only.

My competition revolvers will not set off CCI primers and have a 50/50 fire rate with Winchester, they are tuned to fire Federal, in double action only. If you think the mainspring is a possibility to rule it out give the screw 1/2 a turn.

 

[Engineer1911]

No new problems

Murphy comes home when we forget the basics. There are no new problems, just repeats of old problems.

 

[ramairbrc]

Hand priming, though an ok alternative, is not as precise as a priming station on a reloading machine. Think about how small your level is versus a long handle. A fraction short of a full stroke and you have a high primer, which is then seated by the force of the firing pin. I'd suggest you purchase at least a Dillon 550, and maybe invest in a 650, and that long handle stroke should solve your problem. Also, you'll gain many rounds per hour over your current method.

 

[kbm6893]

Hand priming, though an ok alternative, is not as precise as a priming station on a reloading machine. Think about how small your level is versus a long handle. A fraction short of a full stroke and you have a high primer, which is then seated by the force of the firing pin. I'd suggest you purchase at least a Dillon 550, and maybe invest in a 650, and that long handle stroke should solve your problem. Also, you'll gain many rounds per hour over your current method.

I'm not interested in changing my press. Single stage is all I want since I weigh every charge. There is some primer tube that goes into the hornady press that I may invest in, but in any case I have already loaded over 3000 rounds and have at least 600 cases already primed and ready for powder, so it will be quite some time until I am shooting anything that wasn't hand primed.

I'll go shooting again on Thursday and bring some factory ammo to see if it happens with that. I doubt it will.

 

[alwslate]

I'm not interested in changing my press. Single stage is all I want since I weigh every charge. There is some primer tube that goes into the hornady press that I may invest in, but in any case I have already loaded over 3000 rounds and have at least 600 cases already primed and ready for powder, so it will be quite some time until I am shooting anything that wasn't hand primed.

I'll go shooting again on Thursday and bring some factory ammo to see if it happens with that. I doubt it will.

I load on a single station, Rockchucker, although I don't
weigh every charge, I just prefer to use a single station. The
primer that I have been using for the last several years is a
small bench mounted primer made by RCBS. It uses regular
shell holders for the cartridge being loaded. I prime one case
at a time but it is pretty fast to use. The handle is only about
six inches long but the cam effect of the press provides
plenty of pressure on the primer. I like it better than any
other way of priming that I have used. I don't think they
cost very much. It's something you might want to take a
look at.

 

[kbm6893]

I load on a single station, Rockchucker, although I don't
weigh every charge, I just prefer to use a single station. The
primer that I have been using for the last several years is a
small bench mounted primer made by RCBS. It uses regular
shell holders for the cartridge being loaded. I prime one case
at a time but it is pretty fast to use. The handle is only about
six inches long but the cam effect of the press provides
plenty of pressure on the primer. I like it better than any
other way of priming that I have used. I don't think they
cost very much. It's something you might want to take a
look at.

Just checked it out. Looks good. Might pick one up for my birthday in a few months, but it's gonna be a long time before I prime anything. I have thousands of loaded rounds already in the can and close to a thousand primed cases ready for powder. Does it only use RCBS dies? I load with Leee dies since they offer the 4 die set to crimp separately. Thanks for all the help.

 

[Rule3]

I forget what press you are using? Why not prime ON the press?? or as mentioned get a bench mounted dedicated primer tool. ??

I used to use the hand primer thingy , the LEE and a RCBS universal. It was a pain in the thumb I prime on the press and slam them in all kinds of calibers, pistol and rifle,

 

[kbm6893]

I forget what press you are using? Why not prime ON the press?? or as mentioned get a bench mounted dedicated primer tool. ??

I used to use the hand primer thingy , the LEE and a RCBS universal. It was a pain in the thumb I prime on the press and slam them in all kinds of calibers, pistol and rifle,

I have the Hornady Lock and Load Single Stage. I see there is a tube that can attach to the side of the press and prime while expanding, but I don't see that accessory on their website.

As for the hand tool, I don't mind it. I batch load so I just prime while I'm watching tv. I do look into the hole to be sure the primer is in there right before I put the case in the holder and squeeze. I feel it go in and give it a good firm squeeze.

 

[Rule3]

I am not real familiar with that press and prime system but if it is this one, you can buy the primer system on line.

This video shows how to set up and then another shows how to fill the primer tube.

I myself would not want a primer tube full that does not have a "blast shield" like he mentions about the Redding Press.

In a tube like that you can get a chain fire of all the primers Not sure if the Hornady tubes are extra strong or what??

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbDpKbI0k60[/ame]

 

[flyfishinjunkee]

Did the cases have POWDER in them?

 

[alwslate]

Just checked it out. Looks good. Might pick one up for my birthday in a few months, but it's gonna be a long time before I prime anything. I have thousands of loaded rounds already in the can and close to a thousand primed cases ready for powder. Does it only use RCBS dies? I load with Leee dies since they offer the 4 die set to crimp separately. Thanks for all the help.

The one I am refering to is a small bench mounted primer
that is only about six inches tall. You put a primer in the ram
cup, put a case in the shell holder and seat the primer. It's
very handy. It doesn't use dies, just a shell holder to prime
one case at a time. The shell holders just snap in and out
like they do on a press ram and don't have to be RCBS.

 

[kbm6893]

The one I am refering to is a small bench mounted primer
that is only about six inches tall. You put a primer in the ram
cup, put a case in the shell holder and seat the primer. It's
very handy. It doesn't use dies, just a shell holder to prime
one case at a time. The shell holders just snap in and out
like they do on a press ram and don't have to be RCBS.

Yes I meant the shell holder, not dies. Looks like a handy tool. Does it use the tube to hold the primers? The video rule3 posted mentions a blast shield to contain the blast should one primer go off and set off the others.

 

[Rule3]

Here is the one you can mount to the press.

Hornady Lock-N-Load Classic Single Stage Press Automatic Primer Feeder

Here is a bench mounted system

RCBS Automatic Bench Priming Tool

Priming on the press eliminates handling the cartridge one more time, speeds things up a bit. Everyone has their own preferences.

 

[kbm6893]

Went to the range with the 67-1 and a Ruger Service Six. Brought 140 rounds of my reloads and 50 rounds of factory American Eagle.

Fired 90 rounds of my reloads through the Service Six. No misfires.

Fired 50 reloads through the 67. 2 fails to fire first strike. Fired the American Eagle through the 67. All fired first time.

So I'm guessing around 10 fails to fire first time in the 67 out of around 400 rounds. No fails to fire in the Ruger, probably 300-400 rounds fired.

The strain screw is tight on the 67. Could the beefier hammer on the Ruger just be better at striking a slightly raised primer? I find it odd that the Ruger has had zero fails to fire.

 

[Rule3]

If neither gun has been fiddled with I would bet the Ruger is much heavier trigger, I know mine are,

The fact that factory ammo all worked indicates to me it is primer seating even though Federal primers are easier to go bang, Try a another brand of factory like Win or Blazer, any cheap stuff that is not Federal, Yes, It costs a few bucks but it's a good test,

 

[kbm6893]

If neither gun has been fiddled with I would bet the Ruger is much heavier trigger, I know mine are,

The fact that factory ammo all worked indicates to me it is primer seating even though Federal primers are easier to go bang, Try a another brand of factory like Win or Blazer, any cheap stuff that is not Federal, Yes, It costs a few bucks but it's a good test,

I thought the same thing, but I'm running roughly 2 fails out of 100, so it is possible that one box of ammo wouldn't prove anything. I've certainly fired 100 rounds of reloads without a failure in my 67.

Just bums me a but since the 67 is the wife's house gun. I put Crimson trace grips on it to help her with her accuracy since she's not much of a shooter. Of course I keep the speedloaders loaded with federal nyclad factory ammo.

 

[Nevada Ed]

You stated that you have about 1,500 rounds already loaded.

They all sit "Flat" on a table top, right ?

Have a fun time.

 

[kbm6893]

You stated that you have about 1,500 rounds already loaded.

They all sit "Flat" on a table top, right ?

Have a fun time.

Sure. I inspect them after I seat the primer. Look fine to me but I suppose w few could be a bit high. I don't care for target fun but the 67 is a gun designated for home defense and I don't like it not firing. And I sure don't want to buy 3-400 rounds of factory 38 to test it. The high cost of ammo is what got me into reloading.

But I suppose that will give me fresh brass to load.