CWP in bars/restaurants

S&W45Colt said:
You can find 50 State Legislatures that say it's OK to have some alcohol in your system and drive. In the end, their opinions are the ones that matter.
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Fair enough. I'll modify my original statement to fit that argument. See how you feel about it now...

"Children, it's ok to drink and drive, as long as you don't drink too much, because the government tells us it's ok"

I see problems with relying on "because the gov says it's ok" to base my personal decisions on.


Sgt Lumpy
 
SgtLumpy said:
Fair enough. I'll modify my original statement to fit that argument. See how you feel about it now...

"Children, it's ok to drink and drive, as long as you don't drink too much, because the government tells us it's ok"

I see problems with relying on "because the gov says it's ok" to base my personal decisions on.


Sgt Lumpy
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I had a long response, but by the time it was done my fingers hurt and I drifted the thread far enough South you could see Argentina.

I'll give you the short version, we both know officers who try to enforce the law they way they think it should be, not the way it is. That's where all of the horror stories everyone reads about come from. My knee jerks from that...maybe at you, especially at Faulkner's "high and mighty" people who expect their rights. You are probably getting grief you don't deserve from me due to that.

Officers don't know better than the law, don't just "know" who's guilty and our opinions should never affect the way we do our job. You may even agree with all that. You may be a guy who's opinion does not influence the job at all, I don't know you.

So forgive me my soapbox, to quote a decent movie, "here endeth the lesson."

What do I know? At the end of the day, I tried to fairly enforce the law, not let my biases affect the job and go home every night, anything else was to wearing and political for me, guess that's why I'm not a Chief or Sheriff somewhere.
 
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One thing I forgot:

The State of NC makes 12-15K off of every drunk driving conviction, by the time you add in court fees, insurance surcharges, classes, "assessments" etc. They have no desire for one offense and you are done laws. That mentality is the reason drunk drivers are so persistent and kill so many innocent people. That the real reason it will never change here, other places are similar, I suspect.
 
S&W45Colt said:
The State of NC makes 12-15K off of every drunk driving conviction, by the time you add in court fees, insurance surcharges, classes, "assessments" etc. They have no desire for one offense and you are done laws. That mentality is the reason drunk drivers are so persistent and kill so many innocent people. That the real reason it will never change here, other places are similar, I suspect.
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I hope you are wrong about that. To tolerate drunk driving for the profit of the state would be evil. I'm not saying you are wrong; I just hope so. I guess I've always assumed that the penalties are not more severe in order to show mercy to the offender and his dependent family members.
 
In the great state of IOWA it is stated right on your license...
IF you are drinking your license is suspended . . . . they don't care where you might be!!!

So, if you are carrying........DON'T DRINK.............
 
Road Rat said:
In the great state of IOWA it is stated right on your license...
IF you are drinking your license is suspended . . . . they don't care where you might be!!!

So, if you are carrying........DON'T DRINK.............
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Handgun license or driver's license?
 
In Oklahoma you can open or concealed carry into a restaurant that serves alcoholic beverages if it is not posted otherwise. You cannot legally carry while under the influence of alcohol or any legal or illegal drug, prescription or not. For the purposes of driving, you are impaired with a blood/alcohol content at 0.05% and under the influence at 0.08%.

I don't go to restaurants or any other business where I can't carry. The only restaurant I've seen locally with restrictions is "Los Cabos" where the sign reads: "No Open Carry."

ECS
 
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Old TexMex said:
Before Texas allowed concealed carry, I used to drink in "Bar El Gallo" in Corpus Christi. They searched everybody that came in for weapons.




If you didn't have one, they'd lend you one. Only way to keep everybody from killing one another....
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Now, THAT'S funny! :D
 
S&W45Colt said:
I had a long response, but by the time it was done my fingers hurt and I drifted the thread far enough South you could see Argentina.

I'll give you the short version, we both know officers who try to enforce the law they way they think it should be, not the way it is. That's where all of the horror stories everyone reads about come from. My knee jerks from that...maybe at you, especially at Faulkner's "high and mighty" people who expect their rights. You are probably getting grief you don't deserve from me due to that.

Officers don't know better than the law, don't just "know" who's guilty and our opinions should never affect the way we do our job. You may even agree with all that. You may be a guy who's opinion does not influence the job at all, I don't know you.

So forgive me my soapbox, to quote a decent movie, "here endeth the lesson."

What do I know? At the end of the day, I tried to fairly enforce the law, not let my biases affect the job and go home every night, anything else was to wearing and political for me, guess that's why I'm not a Chief or Sheriff somewhere.
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I can honestly say that after reading and re-reading your post, I haven't the slightest idea what it is you're trying to say. Sorry if I don't get it.

My angle -

Regardless of what the statutes say -

I don't recommend drinking and driving to anyone, to any degree.

I don't recommend drinking and carrying to anyone, to any degree.

Other's opinions may differ.


Sgt Lumpy
 
SgtLumpy said:
I can honestly say that after reading and re-reading your post, I haven't the slightest idea what it is you're trying to say. Sorry if I don't get it.

My angle -

Regardless of what the statutes say -

I don't recommend drinking and driving to anyone, to any degree.

I don't recommend drinking and carrying to anyone, to any degree.

Other's opinions may differ.


Sgt Lumpy
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Fair enough. No need for us to beat it to death worse than it is....and it's pretty well decayed at this point.

Have a good evening.
 
The Big D said:
I had lunch at Chipotle yesterday.

I was CCW with a M60, NY-1.

Yes, I had a beer with my burrito. (Steak, pinto beans, rice, salsa, etc. with bag of chips and salsa.) Beer: Bud Light.

Yes, I then drove about 100 miles to my home.

Did NOT get shot, get my butt kicked, shoot anyone, rob the place, get pulled over for DWI, speed, or crash into anyone.

This will undoubtedly come as a huge surprise to all who proclaim such misbehavior (with multiple transgressions) will cause harm to one and all. I hope you are not too disappointed. :rolleyes:

Be safe.
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I don't take issue with what you did, but to me it is a question of "Can you beat the odds every time?". The law in Va clearly states not to drink while CC. We (most of us, anyway) criticize criminals for not abiding by the law. We use it as part of our defense in some arguments. We proclaim to be "Better" than them.

So to me - I'd just as soon keep my nose clean and not walk on the edge hoping I don't get caught then if I do complain about having to defend against something I feel I shouldn't have to defend against in the first place. I would not want to be categorized with Dwayne Ferguson - strongly supports the SAFE act then carries on a school ground. There is a difference between driving after a beer and CC while having a beer. One law says limited, the other says Don't.

It just cost money - but it's my money. If I can choose the right path, I'll do so. Right or wrong...that's my opinion.

I do agree...be safe. :)
 
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I had the chance to use an M60 when I was in the Army in Vietnam, a long time ago. I'm impressed that you can conceal this machine gun!
 
I do not live in Virginia.

Hmmm, did you not understand my post? :mad: I do not live in Virginia. :( And, for the record, I do not live in NY, either, nor is my name Ferguson. Further, I do not violate any CCW laws...ever.

Be safe.

wittmeba said:
I don't take issue with what you did, but to me it is a question of "Can you beat the odds every time?". The law in Va clearly states not to drink while CC. We (most of us, anyway) criticize criminals for not abiding by the law. We use it as part of our defense in some arguments. We proclaim to be "Better" than them.

So to me - I'd just as soon keep my nose clean and not walk on the edge hoping I don't get caught then if I do complain about having to defend against something I feel I shouldn't have to defend against in the first place. I would not want to be categorized with Dwayne Ferguson - strongly supports the SAFE act then carries on a school ground. There is a difference between driving after a beer and CC while having a beer. One law says limited, the other says Don't.

It just cost money - but it's my money. If I can choose the right path, I'll do so. Right or wrong...that's my opinion.

I do agree...be safe. :)
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wittmeba said:
I don't take issue with what you did, but to me it is a question of "Can you beat the odds every time?". The law in Va clearly states not to drink while CC. We (most of us, anyway) criticize criminals for not abiding by the law. We use it as part of our defense in some arguments. We proclaim to be "Better" than them.

So to me - I'd just as soon keep my nose clean and not walk on the edge hoping I don't get caught then if I do complain about having to defend against something I feel I shouldn't have to defend against in the first place. I would not want to be categorized with Dwayne Ferguson - strongly supports the SAFE act then carries on a school ground. There is a difference between driving after a beer and CC while having a beer. One law says limited, the other says Don't.

It just cost money - but it's my money. If I can choose the right path, I'll do so. Right or wrong...that's my opinion.

I do agree...be safe. :)
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The Big D said:
Hmmm, did you not understand my post? :mad: I do not live in Virginia. :( And, for the record, I do not live in NY, either, nor is my name Ferguson. Further, I do not violate any CCW laws...ever.

Be safe.
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I quoted the entirety of the Nevada law concerning "Possession of firearm when under influence of alcohol, controlled substance or other intoxicating substance" in the other thread, here is the link:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...der-dont-drink-smoke-carry.html#post137689280

This includes a link to the code itself.

Clearly the laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Wittmeba if I lived where you do I would not drink while carrying. I try to be very careful not to break the law. I am glad that I live in Nevada.

Ken
 
The Big D,
I was not intending to attack you or your post. Sorry if it appears differently. It's all good - go in peace :)


CowboyKen,
Thanks for your post and the link too.
 
All good.

No worries, wittmeba. I am only aggravated by those who state anyone who enjoys a legal adult pleasure is wrong and irresponsible by doing so.

I consider myself a good citizen, responsible gun owner/carrier, and law abiding. When people suggest otherwise it gets my hackles raised. Perhaps it should not, personally, but I have always tried to stick up for others, too.

Be safe.

wittmeba said:
The Big D,
I was not intending to attack you or your post. Sorry if it appears differently. It's all good - go in peace :)


CowboyKen,
Thanks for your post and the link too.
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