Did I do the right thing???

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Being as how this is the nearest thing I can find in my world to group therapy, I thought I'd share this with you guys and gals.

A bit of history. About 4 years ago we became acquainted with a fairly poor couple who do yard work for a meager living. They have done odd jobs such as trimming trees (never tall ones; I didn't want any potential responsibility for an accident) off and on for a number of years. When their landlord wouldn't let them keep a pit bull puppy, we volunteered to take him off their hands. Today we have Joe, the nicest and most affectionate dog we've ever had. Some of you have seen his picture here on the forum - the black and white dog with the big blue eyes.

Now from time to time, this couple has approached us for money to bail them out of financial difficulty. Both my wife and I have tried to help them out - sometimes they repaid us, and sometimes they didn't, but we chalk it up to personal charity.

However, about a month ago, the 75-year old guy of the duo fell out of a palm tree he was trimming, busted his knee and his left hand in the process.

They approached my wife for rent money and money to get them into the ER, which she gave them. Next thing you know, they are asking for transportation to the doctor (truck wouldn't run). Next, it's transportation to the grocery store. Next, it's helping them with getting food stamps and charity medical coverage. My wife willingly helped them. They were going to be evicted, and she gave them money for another month's rent. She's literally bent over backwards to these folks time after time, almost every day. Then the guy tried to hit her up for some money to buy booze, because his hand hurt so much. We've given them plenty of Tylenol for that purpose, but in his opinion beer works mo' better.

My wife has taken them to get dental care, and for every day for a month, they are virtually all that she's had on her mind. She can't sleep at night, and frets constantly that they will be evicted if they can't get to work again and earn a living. We've told the guy that he doesn't have to trim trees; he can mow lawns - we'll even buy him a lawn mower so he can. But no; common yard work would not be to his taste. His wife has about 1 1/2 years of college, and although she's no beauty at 55, she could get presentable and get some sort of job, even if it's packing groceries, but she's made no apparent effort to find employment. They've managed to avoid paying into social security so far in their lives, so there is no possibility of income enhancement from that source.

I've seen what this is doing to my wife; she's at her compassionate wit's end trying to think of other ways she can help them. She's now out over a thousand dollars with no end in sight. I've tried to talk turkey with her to make her realize that wittingly or unwittingly, these folks have become entirely dependent on her with no end in sight.

Finally, friends, aware of this situation, have tried to intervene and make her realize that the umbilical cord HAS to be cut, or we will soon have to declare them as dependents on our tax returns. A childhood friend of my wife's and a long-time confidant, told her point blank: Cut them off, or have John do it for you - this is no good for any of you - you are beside yourself trying to help, it's no good for your marriage, and it's no good for them. There's a reason they post signs in national parks not to feed the animals - they get to be dependent on humans until they can no longer fend for themselves. Same principle. These folks need to take personal responsibility for their situation, and pronto.

My wife told me of the conversation with her friend, and I was glad, even relieved, to step in. I told the couple that my wife had bent over backwards for them with no end in sight. She can't sleep, and is near tears every day over their plight. She's gone from home almost every day driving them around from post to post trying to get them charitable help. And I told them simply that this is all stopping. Right now. We care for them, but they have to cut the cord that attaches them to my wife. We've found out from their landlord that they have sponged off of other folks as well - it's become a way of life, almost, for them. I was nice to them, but very firm that as of today, it all comes to a roaring halt. I love my wife dearly, and I hate to see how this is all affecting her.

To their credit, they accepted what I had to say. We parted cordially, and I hope my firm, tactful way of saying "enough" will shut this whole thing down.

But still, I wonder if I did the right thing. Opinions?

John
 
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Yes!

Your lovely bride...and you...did the right thing before. And you're doing what is BEST for all now. You should be very proud.

Please tell that saintly lady she has done far more than her share. It's the responsibility of those whom she aided to find appropriate care/assistance to meet their needs.

But I bet you're very proud of her!

Be safe.
 
I think that you did far more than you had to.Christian charity only goes so far and lasts so long.Bless you for what you did to help,but it had to stop.Sleep well.
 
Your lovely bride...and you...did the right thing before. And you're doing what is BEST for all now. You should be very proud.

Please tell that saintly lady she has done far more than her share. It's the responsibility of those whom she aided to find appropriate care/assistance to meet their needs.

But I bet you're very proud of her!

Be safe.

I am very proud of her and have told her so many times. Her compassion is one of the things I've always admired about her. We are celebrating our 52nd wedding anniversary this weekend.

John
 
These people are leech's on society. If they have avoided paying Soc Sec all their lives that tells me the story. Cut them out of your lives, you have gone above and beyond already. There are agencies these people can contact.
 
Being as how this is the nearest thing I can find in my world to group therapy, I thought I'd share this with you guys and gals.

A bit of history. About 4 years ago we became acquainted with a fairly poor couple who do yard work for a meager living. They have done odd jobs such as trimming trees (never tall ones; I didn't want any potential responsibility for an accident) off and on for a number of years. When their landlord wouldn't let them keep a pit bull puppy, we volunteered to take him off their hands. Today we have Joe, the nicest and most affectionate dog we've ever had. Some of you have seen his picture here on the forum - the black and white dog with the big blue eyes.

Now from time to time, this couple has approached us for money to bail them out of financial difficulty. Both my wife and I have tried to help them out - sometimes they repaid us, and sometimes they didn't, but we chalk it up to personal charity.

However, about a month ago, the 75-year old guy of the duo fell out of a palm tree he was trimming, busted his knee and his left hand in the process.

They approached my wife for rent money and money to get them into the ER, which she gave them. Next thing you know, they are asking for transportation to the doctor (truck wouldn't run). Next, it's transportation to the grocery store. Next, it's helping them with getting food stamps and charity medical coverage. My wife willingly helped them. They were going to be evicted, and she gave them money for another month's rent. She's literally bent over backwards to these folks time after time, almost every day. Then the guy tried to hit her up for some money to buy booze, because his hand hurt so much. We've given them plenty of Tylenol for that purpose, but in his opinion beer works mo' better.

My wife has taken them to get dental care, and for every day for a month, they are virtually all that she's had on her mind. She can't sleep at night, and frets constantly that they will be evicted if they can't get to work again and earn a living. We've told the guy that he doesn't have to trim trees; he can mow lawns - we'll even buy him a lawn mower so he can. But no; common yard work would not be to his taste. His wife has about 1 1/2 years of college, and although she's no beauty at 55, she could get presentable and get some sort of job, even if it's packing groceries, but she's made no apparent effort to find employment. They've managed to avoid paying into social security so far in their lives, so there is no possibility of income enhancement from that source.

I've seen what this is doing to my wife; she's at her compassionate wit's end trying to think of other ways she can help them. She's now out over a thousand dollars with no end in sight. I've tried to talk turkey with her to make her realize that wittingly or unwittingly, these folks have become entirely dependent on her with no end in sight.

Finally, friends, aware of this situation, have tried to intervene and make her realize that the umbilical cord HAS to be cut, or we will soon have to declare them as dependents on our tax returns. A childhood friend of my wife's and a long-time confidant, told her point blank: Cut them off, or have John do it for you - this is no good for any of you - you are beside yourself trying to help, it's no good for your marriage, and it's no good for them. There's a reason they post signs in national parks not to feed the animals - they get to be dependent on humans until they can no longer fend for themselves. Same principle. These folks need to take personal responsibility for their situation, and pronto.

My wife told me of the conversation with her friend, and I was glad, even relieved, to step in. I told the couple that my wife had bent over backwards for them with no end in sight. She can't sleep, and is near tears every day over their plight. She's gone from home almost every day driving them around from post to post trying to get them charitable help. And I told them simply that this is all stopping. Right now. We care for them, but they have to cut the cord that attaches them to my wife. We've found out from their landlord that they have sponged off of other folks as well - it's become a way of life, almost, for them. I was nice to them, but very firm that as of today, it all comes to a roaring halt. I love my wife dearly, and I hate to see how this is all affecting her.

To their credit, they accepted what I had to say. We parted cordially, and I hope my firm, tactful way of saying "enough" will shut this whole thing down.

But still, I wonder if I did the right thing. Opinions?

John

You did what had to be done.

What really bothers me is when I look at your post every time the word sight comes up it links me to ebay for some laser sight.

Weird? or what?
 
I think those folks are scamming you, at least to a degree. If he's over 65, never paid into Social Security, and has financial need, he gets SSI, which entitles him to Medicaid, Food Stamps, and maybe even housing.

There's more to their story.
 
You did the right thing. It's okay for you and your wife to be benevolent and helpful to a point. But, it gets to the point of being no different than being an enabler to an alcoholic. They will never stop their addition to your help until they reach a bottom. "God helps those that help themselves." I'm not being cruel, just realistic.
 
There is helping folks, very noble and wish I could do better at it.

Then theirs being taken advantage of. Not such a good thing.

The line between them isnt always straight and sometimes its invisible to see when looking for it.

Its often better to be thought a bad person, than to be taken advantage of.

I wish I could offer better advice but I am jaded...
 
You did the right thing. Multiple ways, multiple times. You and your wife sound like amazing people, and I would be truly HONORED to know you. I mean that in all sincerity. As you said though, these people are clearly capable of doing different work, or in the woman's case, any at all. They obviously choose not to.

I hope your wife can find peace in all of this. It sounds like she has a great husband, so I'm sure she has all of the support she needs and then some. Be proud of one another for all that you've done. Happy anniversary. 52 years is another thing to be proud of!

God bless, and thank you for sharing your story.
Dustin
 
These people are leech's on society. If they have avoided paying Soc Sec all their lives that tells me the story. Cut them out of your lives, you have gone above and beyond already. There are agencies these people can contact.

I might not go as STRONG as that?. It would seem to me that they apparently may not be that well educated? ( hence the wife not completing some basic education?) Although initially it looks like he took on some personal self employment venture with apparently no business plan and then when an injury happened this family obviously has no rainy day plan or fund? That being said the OP wife and him have given and given. As the Bible says "If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, if you teach a man to fish you feed him for life" I think the original poster , ( bless him and his wife) fed a fish a day to these individuals? Not that I'm being critical here, been guilty of the same my self. This type of thing is happening Nationwide,( I have no doubt these individuals were scared out of their minds? and will be eternally gratefull) We should teach all to fish. :o I pray that this couple find the assistance they need , without taking undue advantage for what it was intended for the good of the needy?

God bless this poster and his family for the hospitality and Christian giving.


thewelshm
 
John: The compassion and philanthropy shown by you and your wife are admirable. Short of adopting this couple you have gone waaayyy above and beyond. You absolutely did the correct thing. You guys had become enablers to these folks. Ultimately that dependency does no one any good.
 
Happy anniversary, and sleep well, you did the right thing (s). All that is left is to pray that the couple learns another way, and get on their feet. Charity is admirable, but being taken advantage of is far from it.
 
It was time to stop the bleeding, John.

Your wife went the second through the nineteenth miles with these people, and you weren't far behind. Clearly it was affecting her badly, and you two haven't stayed married that long by not supporting each other in tough situations.

Happy anniversary, and rest in the knowledge that you did all that could be reasonably expected and much more.

Mike
 
Not much I can add to what's already been said here in the way of complimenting your wife and you for what you have done for these folks except this:

"What you do for the least of these, you do for Me."

I hope there is peace in this situation for all concerned, and blessings to all too.
 
Sounds like your wife (and others)were essentially subsidizing those folks' long term unwillingness to take any responsibility for their own lives. Lots of decisions over time brought them to a point where nothing is going to change their behavior. It apparently works well enough for them or they would do things differently. Unlikely THEY are losing sleep over all this.

Big difference between a helping hand and being taken advantage of. I'd say she's gone way above and beyond in her charitable impulses without much to show for it. That same degree of decent behavior will probably show better dividends applied elsewhere. You can only do so much.

Happy anniversary indeed.
 
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