Jerry in SC
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I'm interested in the family interaction prior to the murder. How much did they know, why wasn't it reported, etc.
Do they have the shooter? YES!
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Yesterday my wife was home soaking up everything the media was putting out from all these so called experts. Never heard of some guy named Willie Cunningham, but she sent me a screenshot of some stuff he said. I'm just shaking my head at some of it.
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No expert here, but that looks fake to me.The is a video out that showed Kirk was wearing a vest under his shirt and that the bullet struck the west, apparently deflecting upward into his neck. The impact on the vest is clear.
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The shocking death of Charlie Kirk during a public event at Utah Valley University has left the nation in mourning. The right-wing commentator was fatallypollywebart.com
Jon651
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My post was specifically about the picture of the casing that the WSJ posted. I stand by my conclusion that their reporting (and their fact checking that we should expect and demand from "reputable" sources) was a farce. The image they showed never supported their claims and it unfortunately "got legs" and spread.
I have no control over - and no opinion about - what the Governor said in his press conference. From the searching I did, he didn't show any images of the shell casing, but the WSJ did - and they got it wrong.
venomballistics
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I saw this too ... And shook my head at all of it
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and I wasn't commenting on anything other than what has been confirmed by people who are doing the investigation. And yes, I heard the update in real time and before I posted.
I don't read the WSJ in print or online, my info was from the investigative sources.
I stand with the people on the ground IN UTAH doing the actual work.
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Erika Kirk carrying the torch forward. God Bless her and keep her safe.
Faulkner
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Should be no real surprise though. The drive-by media has a track record of filling in the blanks with nonsense when they have no factual data to report but still have airtime to fill.
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Jerry in SC
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I've read and heard lots of speculation by "experts". No one will know for sure until a lot more information is available. News outlets run unvetted stuff to beat their rivals. It wasn't a particularly easy shot, downhill (shots are high) a breeze, mirage in the heat, one of those situations where a move one way or another would have meant a miss.
No relation per Washington County Utah Sheriff's Office:
Washington Co. Sheriff emphasizes no relation between retired deputy, suspected shooter
The Washington County Sheriff's Office clarified the suspected gunman in the death of Charlie Kirk has no relation to a retired deputy affiliated with the offic
kutv.com
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??? What word?
LVSteve
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The joke is that a little time with a ballistic calculator and doing some math reveals a 3° angle shot (assuming 30' elevation at 200 yards) that would be 3.5" low for a rifle zeroed at 100 yards. There's not enough downhill to make a big difference.
Wind? Plug in whatever numbers you like. 5 mph full value wind pushes the average 30-06 hunting bullet 1.5". Was it windy there?
For sure, in calm conditions at 200 yards is a chip shot for 30-06 if the rifle has a half decent trigger..
"...200 yards is an incredibly difficult shot..."
Huh? From prone? With a scope? When I was his age, I hit targets all day long at 250 meters with my M-14 and iron sights. 250 meters was the zero for the rifle.
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Erika Kirk speaks publicly.
www.foxnews.com
Have the tissues close by
Erika Kirk delivers moving tribute to husband, Charlie: 'I will never let your legacy die'
Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika, spoke publicly Friday for the first time since her husband's assassination Friday evening outside Turning Point USA's headquarters in Phoenix.
Have the tissues close by
Fascist.
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I spoke to a couple of the early 20yo's working the front desk at my gym yesterday as I usually do. We discussed the events of the past several days. They gave me hope for the future of America.
Faulkner
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The media is doing what the media does best right now which is repeating unsubstantiated rumors and reports, interviewing "expert" pundits who are not involved in the investigation and can only speculate, and getting quotes from athletes and movie stars who are insignificant in our lives. Basically, they are entertaining the masses.
In the meantime the law enforcement investigators are doing their due diligence to build the case and tie up the loose ends. Could take weeks at best.
In the meantime the law enforcement investigators are doing their due diligence to build the case and tie up the loose ends. Could take weeks at best.
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Lots of holes to fill. Let the investigators do their job and tune out the background noise.
Banter about the rifle, the shoot is arm chair BS. What I can't get out of my mind is a video clip of Charley's 3 yr old daughter running to him on a photo set. Makes you want to scream.
Now we have a sorry piece of protoplasm that isn't old enough to have experienced any worldly serious problems, kill a guy for his morals. They got the shooter, I hope they get the guy behind the curtain that stoked this idea in shooters head.
Now we have a sorry piece of protoplasm that isn't old enough to have experienced any worldly serious problems, kill a guy for his morals. They got the shooter, I hope they get the guy behind the curtain that stoked this idea in shooters head.
venomballistics
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I'd speculate that they saw their son "drinking the koolaid" but an event like this would have developed far too quickly to contain.
The family is well past the disbelief stage and recognized that the boy went all in
venomballistics
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a frightened daughter ran to her father for protection. She couldn't know her defender was gone.
Makes you wish there was a perfect drug to facilitate a nice clean memory wipe
Running a serial number search on a 100 year old Mauser 98, is like trying to find a tagged goldfish in a feeder fish tank at PetSmart.
They might trace the gun through local purchases/gun boards, friends that may have sold it to him, dad, etc. However, a straight serial number import trace might be wildly difficult. There are probably dozens of Turkish Mauser actions alone that share an exact serial number and those were imported by the shipping container full about a twenty years ago. That's just one subset of Mausers. Then there's modified German actions, Czech, Argentine, Spanish and the list goes on.
They have the shooter and a statement. I would imagine that his Dad knows exactly where the gun came from, or a really good idea. The guy is only 22YO, so I doubt he has had time to build an extensive collection of guns.
That's supposedly the rifle. It's what, about 36, inches, if not more?
There's no way the guy had that rifle hiding this on his person, in his pants or in that pack in any of the video footage, despite what we're being told. If he had that in his pants, he's not bending his knees walking up those stairs or much less jumping from a building and running. That rifle isn't going to break down and reassemble without tools and more importantly, the time to do it - and it's still going to be noticeable. Especially on a guy who is as skinny as he is.
The narrative around the rifle makes no sense,
DWalt
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There are many Mauser-design actions that look just like a "Model 98" action but have other designations depending on their age and the country that made or used them. When I saw the first low resolution picture, it struck me as being a sporterized Mauser military rifle. Its ownership probably can't be traced very far back, if at all, but in this case, that is really not necessary to establish so long as it can somehow be placed in the shooter's hands. Has the rifle's caliber definitely been established and released yet? I have not seen anything official. Regarding the "Rifle in his pants" theory, that makes no sense to me either. I suppose the FBI and/or the Utah cops will have to replicate that to see if it looks the same as the video.
venomballistics
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then ... lets speculate on what would make sense given the evidence before us.This rifle was recovered and referenced in electronic text evidence. He's also 22 years of age and a student.
He knows the environment. he's been there long enough to know his way around as well as some of the more secret and nuanced places and dealings.Forget what the media is selling. He may very well have just walked in with full support if he knew his environment well enough.
But more likely, there was some TPUSA flyers and stage assembly ahead of the event. Its a simple matter of setup during the off hours.
The person of interest photos where of him in a building. the reports state that he jumped from a roof to make his egress ... which places him outside any building. He doesn't have to conceal anything on his person when the photos are not in the same timeframe. This may have been him going to his prepared firing position
I don't know if the "evidence" we are given is true or not. I don't believe much of what the .gov or the media says.
Does he know the environment? Did he go to school there? We're told he lives hours away.
Have you seen the video of him supposedly jumping off the roof and running away from the campus. Why would he run away? Where's the rifle we're told he had? It's clear, even from the grainy footage that there was nothing that was about 3 feet long and straight.
The other story is that he disassembled it, then reassembled it and left it in the woods.
Yeah, sure.
Yendor357
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Shoot him in the throat.
If you can dish it out…..
If you can dish it out…..
I read a report yesterday that a single screwdriver was found next to the rifle. That would lead you to believe that the barreled action was removed from the stock at some point, since there are only two screws through the trigger guard holding it in?
