Do you believe?

[mtgianni]

Collisians 1:16 KJV, For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

I believe that there is intelligent life out there, and that it is not here to interfere with us nor us with them. That does not mean that evidence of that life might not be seen.

 

[s1mp13m4n]

In a nutshell the whole alien thing is based on a belief style called naturalism which started in Greek culture back in the midevil times. The centuries old naturalistic and humanistic belief system is basically where the alien and life beyond this world came from. It is because of this why I hold no credible belief in ET.

 

[JJEH]

I'm pretty sure there is other life out there somewhere...

 

[cmort666]

In a nutshell the whole alien thing is based on a belief style called naturalism which started in Greek culture back in the midevil times. The centuries old naturalistic and humanistic belief system is basically where the alien and life beyond this world came from. It is because of this why I hold no credible belief in ET.

The Greeks believed in geometry too.

I wouldn't consider that justification for dismissing the existence of triangles...

 

[Old TexMex]

Stand outside in the desert at night, look up into the sky and see all those tiny white lights? That's all alien spacecraft, and they're all leavin'.
And you better hope to heck they don't come back either....

 

[PA Reb]

Try this one out. This isnt my idea but I remember my dad bringing it up many years ago. Okay. We see stars that emitted light many light years after that light was emitted. Suppose we had a vehicle or means of darting in space and out raceing the "light" or events on our own planet?
Would we be able to "dock" back in time and watch the civil war, maybe speed ahead farther and watch the crucifiction?
Think of the money we could make on horse races etc!
Think judgement day might be something like that to where we could dial in to actualy see crimes and sins as they happen? There would be no lieing out of it either!

In short, your dad obviously had a wonderful imagination but, according to the laws of physics and Mr.Einstein, nothing that we know of can travel faster than light. If Einstein and the laws of physics are wrong and a way to travel that fast is discovered, theoretically speaking your dad is right - you would be able to catch up with and see any event that has taken place in the past. Keep in mind though, to see the crucifixation of Jesus, it would still take you thousands of human years to get there! Also, if one could travel fast enough, you could also theoretically end up at the beginning of time. The really neat thing to think about is where would you go if you flew right past the beginning?!?! If you just "flew on by" the starting point, could you turn around and come back or would you suddenly cease to exist? That thought sort of reminds me of this > Space Balls - Ludicrous Speed - YouTube !!

The type of thought that this thread has generated could drive a person crazy because to the average human mind (mine) its incomprehensible. To me, it proves that the Good Lord really had / has his act together when he pulled it off and set it all in motion!

 

[mrbort]

Deleted by me for being who I try to be.

 

[s1mp13m4n]

Agreed with cmort666...

Also, Medieval Times were not a Greek cultural period (In fact, they were 400+ years after the birth of Christ); if you can't get the times right, just say "I believe in ..." and don't try to cite evidence that isn't supportable. It's embarrassing for you and for everyone who reads it. Your cause and effect need some serious work on the justification end as well. You can't just assert something as a historical fact (despite that it's just not as you say) and then walk away washing your hands saying "because x is asserted I disbelieve it" or something to that extent.

You should say why that conflicts with your beliefs. I'm not asking you to prove belief but at least make the connection. It's intellectually lazy to do otherwise. As a student at Liberty University, you should come armed with rhetorical skills that transcend what you wrote.

I'd like to hear why you think that the possibility of extraterrestrial life is something in which you do not believe. No free passes for saying that something is part of a particular belief system (even if you get it right). Full points for citing your own faith though; that is something unassailable. If you had said: "I believe X" then I wouldnt argue. It's the fact that you blithely misplaced hundreds of years of history that makes me annoyed.

Me: I don't know (if I did, I wouldnt be posting it here!). I've seen some strange things and I've researched strange phenomena. I, with only a statistics book in my hand, believe that we are not alone. It's the inverse of the lotto player believing without doubt that this one is the winner.

My info is coming from my college humanities class using this textbook: The Story Of Western Culture by Michael Babcock PH.D The other main reason for not getting too deep is because my answers involve various religious, secular, and political views. This is the wrong forum for that.

 

[Sprefix]

I've seen Heavy Metal. Of course there is life out there. I'm hoping for some of the better looking blue and green girls from Star Trek to show up and offer some inter-planetary travel and vacationing.

 

[Old TexMex]

I've seen Heavy Metal. Of course there is life out there. I'm hoping for some of the better looking blue and green girls from Star Trek to show up and offer some inter-planetary travel and vacationing.

Doctor Who actually has the time and dimension travel worked out pretty well, but he's a Time Lord. and I'm not.

 

[mrbort]

My info is coming from my college humanities class using this textbook: The Story Of Western Culture by Michael Babcock PH.D The other main reason for not getting too deep is because my answers involve various religious, secular, and political views. This is the wrong forum for that.

You know what, my post was just plain mean, showing frustration and taking it out on you for no reason other than maybe I had a terribly long day yesterday. It was off base and I'm embarrassed by it; it certainly doesnt reflect the person i try to be. I'll be deleting it and I humbly ask for your forgiveness.

 

[feralmerril]

Aint nothing in this world I hate more than political correctness.

 

[gm272gs]

I saw "BCE" in print yesterday for the first time since I read about that one. I understand the reason behind it, but I'll still think of the Parthenon as being built circa 450 BC.

 

[Delos]

You know what, my post was just plain mean, showing frustration and taking it out on you for no reason other than maybe I had a terribly long day yesterday. It was off base and I'm embarrassed by it; it certainly doesnt reflect the person i try to be. I'll be deleting it and I humbly ask for your forgiveness.

You guys were not that far apart - and you act like you are arguing, and then asking forgiveness?
That puppy won't hunt. That don't feed the bulldog.

For most of my life scientists have been telling me that the Big Bang happened when "Nothing Exploded" and became all that we see. Unfortunately in modern science "Nothing" is always nothing.

When the first deep water sailors sailed the oceans they landed on every continent and island and everyone had a religion.

At about nine months every human child will stand up all by him or herself and soon try to walk. Every kid is programmed for language. If left alone too much children will invent their own language "and speak in sentences".

When we finally find intelligent life on other planets they will talk a different language and they will no doubt talk in sentences. They will probably walk on at least two legs and will have at least two hands to carry and manipulate items around them. I am even betting they will only have two legs and arms and will lose body hair after borrowing animal fur. Then they will have passed laws against being unclothed in public unless swimming in cold water.

And hopefully they will only apologize when they have figured out another way to win the argument and are just changing gears on that truck.

I am only trying to be logical.

 

[Delos]

Old News

If humans or anything like humans are alive then, think of looking up in the night sky and seeing it filled with the great spiral galaxy of Anrdromeda. What a sight!

But Andromeda is not at that exact place anymore. You are looking at the old light waves that have been traveling (outward in all directions) toward us for a couple billion years (whatever light years away it is).

It is not where you look and you cannot see it where it is now. Everything is traveling away from the Big Bang.

Einstein looked at Big Ben (clock in England) and visualized the light from the sun bouncing off of Big Ben and traveling to his eyes so he could see the hands on the clock. I have forgotten but I think it takes/took 8 minutes for the sun to cast off the light waves and them hit Big Ben, and a few fractions of a second for the light waves to bounce off and hit Einsteins eyes.

Now when we look at other galaxies they are so far away we see them the way they were not millions but billions of years ago.

Now if our gravity wave observatories can detect a gravity wave from an exploding supernova and compare the time it takes for that gravity wave to get here, compared to the time it takes for light waves from the same event, to get here.... We will have taken the next big step for mankind.

 

[mrbort]

You guys were not that far apart - and you act like you are arguing, and then asking forgiveness?
That puppy won't hunt. That don't feed the bulldog.

It was not about where we were on the issue it's that I felt like I had acted like a bully. Maybe you didn't read it that way and maybe he didn't either. I'm really only accountable to myself and my maker; I felt that my actions required an apology and so I gave it.

I don't really care what satisfies your various dogs.

 

[Delos]

Einstein was wrong

It was not about where we were on the issue it's that I felt like I had acted like a bully. Maybe you didn't read it that way and maybe he didn't either. I'm really only accountable to myself and my maker; I felt that my actions required an apology and so I gave it.

I don't really care what satisfies your various dogs.

Einstein was not always correct. (or was being misquoted) And I believe his attitude on the speed of light being maximum attainable speed is just ignorant (again - or misquoted).
Out in space - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You burn the rockets and you get an increase in speed.

On earth we deal with wind resistance, water resistance, and gravity.

In outer space - unless you are near one or more galaxies - there is no friction and no resistance. Unless you try to turn or change directions (centrifugal force).

Einstein treated light as if it was holy. He was in love with light as a constant for a universe in much slower motion. He believed that light always left and arrived at the same speed. Science magazines and newspapers loved him. They would not print anything else.

So I ask you: If when the earth is doing its yearly orbit around the sun, and you pick a distant galaxy to measure the light from. When the earth is moving around the sun toward that galaxy or one half year later moving away from that galaxy is the light speed the same in both cases.

If you say yes then there is something wrong with determining the speed of light as an exact number. Or there is something wrong with the way they are trying to measure it.

For me the truth is that there is no good way "yet" to do such measurements. How would light know how much to slow down to compensate for the reading of the other.

It is what makes math teachers sometimes sound like politicians.

One honest physicist said that Einstein Said "the speed of light is always the same in any frame".

Or if you are shining a flashlight on the earth you are in the earth frame (frame of reference). If you are on the moon shining a light you are on the Moon Frame (frame of reference).

 

[HELLSING]

This is just my personal opinion... if you believe, as big as this... WORLD is, that we are truly ALONE... I'm sorry for you.

On the other hand. I do believe in spirits, ghosts, etc. I've had a few personal experiences at my fathers home that had me running back inside. I'll just say this... his home is on a hill (he's alone up there too) where the local KKK use to burn crosses in this massive fire pit that still exists about 60-70 yards from his house (YEARS ago)

 

[papajohn428]

With all the cell phone cameras and video cameras around, why don't we see pictures of alien spacecraft more now than we did back in the 70's and 80's?

Because they KNOW we have them, and they're keeping a lower profile than they used to. They understand our limited technology, and if you remember all the sightings that were reported 30-40 years ago, they either appeared where only pilots and a few others could see them, or they hung out in rural areas, close to Bubba and his still, so no one would believe anything they said.

Do a little research on the Piedmont Missouri sightings back in the 70's and 80's.........they were an everyday event.

UFOs Found in Real TV Broadcasts

 

[rcnixon]

I've been looing up in the sky for most of my sixty-two plus years and I've never seen anything there I couldn't explain. On the other hand, If I do meet aliens, I am prepared; I'm going to drop to the ground and do the Pythagorean Theorem and the unit circle in binary. After that, I have three questions: can I have a ride? Does this thing GO? And, do you think I can drive for a while?

Russ