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I want to order one of the new S&W 9 mm revolvers. I can't find the spec. on the two 9 mm rev. I was told that a .355 barrel would be a better gun then the 9 mm rev with 357 barrel. I e-mail SW but
have not heard from them.
 
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What I'm able to find online about the new Model 929...it's an N Frame, 8 shot with a 6.5" barrel. It will have a Titanium Cyl. and weigh between 45-50 ozs.
 
$1189 suggested retail.

I wish they had brought one back in a smaller frame or a 4-inch barrel version. What's this model going to be good for....other than to have? Might have made sense when 9 x 19 was $10-$12 a box. I may be way off base, but I don't understand it. None-the-less....there it is for those who want one.
 
I really hope there be a 6 round cylinder in 9 mm also. It would be perfect competition gun in Norway.
 
There is a "companion" thread running along with this one concerning the 929. Be sure and follow that one as well if you're interested. I say....one mans trash is another mans treasure...so to speak. This gun obviously was introduced for a niche crowd and not intended for production in numbers. But....what do I know.:)
 
faksen said:
I really hope there be a 6 round cylinder in 9 mm also. It would be perfect competition gun in Norway.
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Smith also has a 7 shot l Frame Ti cylinder on the web site PC#178055.

There is a link in the Brian Enos forum revolver section about an L frame 6 shot steel cylinder in 9X21.

Tom
 
snubbiefan said:
There is a "companion" thread running along with this one concerning the 929. Be sure and follow that one as well if you're interested. I say....one mans trash is another mans treasure...so to speak. This gun obviously was introduced for a niche crowd and not intended for production in numbers. But....what do I know.:)
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I would think seeing that the 929 and 986 are Performance Center guns and not one distributor gun that they would be available for a while.

Tom
 
I think those revolvers are neat. I ordered the 986 this morning. Our distributors just got the part numbers loaded in the system no description or anything but the part number is at least there.
 
The 986 is pretty neat, I'd like to see it with a 3-3.5" barrel.
 
Why not a snub nose in 9mm? I'll be carrying my 38 +p to breakfast tomorrow but I sometimes carry my 9mm semi auto. Educate me, what is the advantage/advantages of a 9mm revolver over a 38?
 
snubbiefan said:
$1189 suggested retail.

I wish they had brought one back in a smaller frame or a 4-inch barrel version. What's this model going to be good for....other than to have? Might have made sense when 9 x 19 was $10-$12 a box. I may be way off base, but I don't understand it. None-the-less....there it is for those who want one.
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Its apparently being made for a small competition market,
Your right an N frame 9mm revo makes no sense in the real world , Only makes sense IMO if it gives a competative edge because of the shorter 9mm case 8 shots and moon clips for fast reloads.

In the real world we would like a titanium cylinder SS 7 shot L frame 9mm tapered barrel in 3" with fixed sites and 4" with target sites cut for moon clips.
 
Sharing my thoughts about daven59's remarks in #12.

Of course the 9-mil was designed for an auto/semi-auto weapon. One in which you could load with as many as the magazine would hold....20-30 or maybe more. The smallish 9-mils can be hidden better than a revolver and the 9-mil is also about the most Internationally used standard there is. The round has been loaded in all sorts of configurations including an armor-piercing load, so it's pretty versatile. As far as what it has over a 38-special or 357-magnum....not much if anything I guess, but there are some good SD loads out there and one can always be home-brewed.

Pros in a revolver: There is just no contest between hands, strips or a speed-loader and moon-clips when it comes to revolver reloading. The ammo is "relatively" cheap as opposed to 38/357...but that gap has closed since the panic. A revolver is much safer to carry than a semi-auto, especially most of this striker-fired junk on the market today. The revolver is generally more mechanically sound and not ammo-picky like many of the 9-mil semi-auto's. If the bullet will fit in the chamber....it will shoot. It's a more reliable platform.

Cons in a revolver: Some folks don't like the moon-clip thing. The revolvers are generally much more expensive. As mentioned, you can "hide" more shots much easier in a flat semi-auto than you can a 5 or 6 shot revolver.

I think everybody should have at least one weapon that shoots a NATO and Police round and that's the 9MM. Though it be a compromise, I'd love to see somebody produce a small frame convertible. In a j-frame, the 9 would be accurate enough in a 38 caliber bore for SD work.

Overall, to me the 9 is a bit harder to reload for. The ammo cost gap has closed between the 9 and the 38 stuff as well. I think if one wants a 9-mil revolver....it's because they want one, which is fine and dandy.
 
This is strictly a competition gun, punching holes in paper and making metal targets go clang. A novelty with a very narrow demographic. I'm certain there are those who'll argue, "If S&W made a 9mm J frame, I'd be first in line." IMHO, this gun is a gap no one, except Miculek and a few other comp shooters, wanted/needed to fill. Other opinions may vary.
 
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This is strictly a competition gun, punching holes in paper and making metal targets go clang. A novelty with a very narrow demographic. I'm certain there are those who'll argue, "If S&W made a 9mm J frame, I'd be first in line." IMHO, this gun is a gap no one, except Miculek and a few other comp shooters, wanted/needed to fill. Other opinions may vary.
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9mm J frame...

And what's wrong with making sales to a narrow demographic? If it fills a perceived need and folk buy it, what's the beef?

I reckon anything that keeps S&W manufacturing revolvers, especially trying satisfy nit picky competitive shooters can't be bad. The average joe won't shoot 1000 rounds in the entire time he owns a revolver. A competition shooter will often do that in a month...Smith's quality control folk can't help but learn something from the high volume shooters...
 
Definitely for competition

snubbiefan said:
$1189 suggested retail.

I wish they had brought one back in a smaller frame or a 4-inch barrel version. What's this model going to be good for....other than to have? Might have made sense when 9 x 19 was $10-$12 a box. I may be way off base, but I don't understand it. None-the-less....there it is for those who want one.
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With the USPSA rule change allowing 8-shot revolvers going into effect this February, this model makes a lot of sense. .38 rounds in moon clips are a lot slower to load than the much shorter 9mm rounds in moon clips.
 
Understood. I think some of those guys were going to the 38 Short Colt for the same reason. I'd be about the last guy to be asked a question about shooting competition. I admit to being ignorant in that area.

Seems to me they will have to sell a good number of these to make it a profitable endeavor. Right-or-wrong....most of the "press" we see here doesn't bode well for the gun in the general gun-shooting public arena. But, like anything somebody builds, there are those that wet their pants over it and those who could care less. Somebody is going to get what they always wanted and I say...good for them.
 
If a manufacturer can get a lot of "air" time, or magazine article time, it promotes the brand, maybe not just the specific item. Something that gets a lot of press helps sell all levels of their products. After a year or two and they don't sell enough they will discontinue them again. Ever hear of loss leaders?
 
For about the past month, I've been looking at/looking for a 9mm revolver. Prior to the recent S&W 2014 release, there were 5 in the past. Charter Arms Pit Bull 9mm(special rimmed ammo by Federal),S&W 547,S&W 940, Ruger Speed Six, and Ruger SP101.
Those that have the S&Ws' or Rugers and reload have been trimming down 38sp/357m cases to 9mm case length. The 38/357 rim now fits in the space allocated for the moonclip. The OD of 38/357/9mm cases are identical. Once the case is trimmed down, run it thru a 9mm sizing die. I've been reading about this on other forums and it got me interested as I reload 9mm,38/357.
 
oldman10mm said:
For about the past month, I've been looking at/looking for a 9mm revolver. Prior to the recent S&W 2014 release, there were 5 in the past. Charter Arms Pit Bull 9mm(special rimmed ammo by Federal),S&W 547,S&W 940, Ruger Speed Six, and Ruger SP101.
Those that have the S&Ws' or Rugers and reload have been trimming down 38sp/357m cases to 9mm case length. The 38/357 rim now fits in the space allocated for the moonclip. The OD of 38/357/9mm cases are identical. Once the case is trimmed down, run it thru a 9mm sizing die. I've been reading about this on other forums and it got me interested as I reload 9mm,38/357.
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OR simply purchase .38 Short Colt brass from Starline.

Beats the heck out of trimming hundreds (or thousands) of .38 Spec brass.
 
I don't trim back good brass. 357s' with splits at the mouth are trimmed to 38sp. 38sp with splits at mouth would be trimmed to 9mm. I'm aware that 38 short colt is already the proper length,but why buy when you can just trim scrap cases.
 
Understand. Good point.

Just not worth the time & effort for many of us. Especially for those that shoot a lot.

I bought 2000 Starline .38 Short Colt cases - and kind of wish I had bought another 1000 or two. But I'll get along okay.
 
Here's a low-budget entry for you. I passed on the purchase of a Taurus 905 for $175 a while back. I personally think that particular gun is a piece of junk. The moon-clips were way too thin and the chambers were bored all way thru. You HAVE to use moon-clips with that gun (which are seriously hard to find), but as I think on it....don't know why the idea of a rimmed "conversion" 9-mil would not have worked since you're not head-spacing on a case-mouth. Next time I go back by that pawn shop and it's still there....bet I could get it for $150 or less. On the other side of the coin the thought persist....why bother with building a 9mm rimmed round just to have another gun that can be duplicated with a 38-Special in terms of stopping-power at SD ranges?

Maybe just because we can, or it's a novelty.
 
I may have the Rifle at my dad's house. You are a Funny guy !!!
For the past month i been ordering all new clips for my semi guns. Getting legal for N.Y.
 
1) novelty-YES
2) chamber pressures 38sp-18,000psi 9mm-32,000psi
3) for my 9s',I load use/load Rem 88jhp 380acp bullets,chronograghed 1500fps from a Beretta 92.
 
I have two like new 940s with 3 inch barrels, bought them several years ago on two consecutive weeks. I paid $300.00 for one and $350.00 for the other. This was about five or six years ago. I just ordered some moon clips from Ranch Products today. I have yet to ever shoot them, they are still in one of the safes. Might shoot them or not.

Rule 303
 
Chamber pressure does not protect a victim. Lead traveling out the end of the barrel protects the victim. There can be little doubt that the 9-mil is/can be made into a superior round than the 38-Special. What one is building with a rimmed 9-mil load is a one-of that you have to manufacture ammo for. I shoot my 9-mil in guns chambered for that round and luv it. All this is great and I'm not knocking anything any of us want to do. I am a re-loader as well. I just don't see the need to create a special bullet when a 38-Special will kill a BG just as dead....dead....dead at SD ranges as a 9-mil and you can find the ammo at Wally-World.:)
 
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