Well I was going to suggest a Walther CCP, which has a very Kahr-like trigger. But if the Nano is too big, then the CCP would definitely be also.
Does anyone make a truly double action striker fired pistol???
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CAJUNLAWYER
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looks like the original Ruger LC9 is what fits the bill as far as hammer fired AND small. Good thread guys thank you for all the input
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I have an LC9 ruger 9mm. i carry it sometimes. Like it. I also like the mag disconnect but some don't. It is both small and hammer fired. Hammer is partially cocked after each round is fired so it does not have restrike after a bad primer. Good choice though because it is very reliable. Never had a bobble with it
Boy! Sure were a lot of answers to a simple yes or no question.
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I had the original LC9. I thought it had double strike but I guess it doesn’t. I have the LC9S and like it very much. I also like the mag disconnect. Big reason why I bought it.
Double strike capability is nice but I’ve never needed it, and I shoot pretty exclusively my reloads, even in my Bodyguard .380. Never needed it in that one either. Mags are reasonable for the LC9, too.
Cajun, if you get an LC9, I’m sure you’ll like it. You can find one for probably $200 on the auction sites, and Ruger stands behind their products in case anything ever needs fixing. I toyed with the idea of getting a 365, but the size and weight is virtually identical to the LC9S, and the three extra rounds, which would only add a bit of weight, weren’t enough to disregard the magazine disconnect that I much prefer on a carry gun. I just put Talin grips on it. The rubberized ones. They feel excellent on it. The grips were a bit slick before I added them. If you buy magazines, get the ones made in Italy if you can. The ones made in America had some issues, I have read. The one I have never did but once I bought two Italian ones the American made one doesn’t get used.
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I agree with all of what you posted with one exception.
The Gen 1 LC9 is not double-strike capable. I know because I have had one as my EDC for the last 2+ years. It is in the safe at the moment waiting replacement parts for an extractor that it launched into low earth orbit. But I can say with 100% certainty that double-strike isn't one of its features.
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Yeah. Washerman corrected me already. I didn’t recall if mine had it or not but I guess it didn’t. Your extractor flew off? Never heard of that. Why didn’t you just send it to Ruger? They fix everything fast with no charge at all. They completely refurbished my friend’s Security Six when he inherited it from his dad. Even re-blued it. Cost him nothing. Not even shipping.
I haven’t shot my LC9S in a while. Maybe I’ll get it out tomorrow. I can put them into almost the same hole at 7 yards with it. Weird how accurate I am with it.
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Not to be argumentative, but why is double strike capability vital? Or even important? I can't think of a single instance when a primer failed with modern ammo. And if there is a problem with the firing pin or the hammer stroke, another strike likely won't solve the problem. Slap, rack, and bang in any case.
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I wouldn’t say it’s vital but it’s not a bad option. In the event of a light strike I doubt any but the most highly trained are going to smoothly transition to tap rack bang under extreme stress. Pulling the trigger again is automatic. While I’ve never had to do it, some have reported light strikes with the Bodyguard .380’s. Round usually goes off again on the second pull.
I’ve had some light strikes on .38 Special I’ve reloaded. They all went off the second time. One thing I do remember with my old LC9 is placing my thumb over the hammer while holstering didn’t prevent the hammer from falling if my finger was on the trigger or something snagged it. Tried it unloaded of course. Another thing I like about hammer fired. The hammer is so flush with the slide the thumb doesn’t block it.
LVSteve
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LC9 and LC380 do not have second strike capability.
I'm puzzled that the Nano is considered too big. The LC9, LC9s and LC380 and the Nano are all about the same size. The Nano just looks blocky, IMHO
BU9 Nano
Ruger(R) LC9s(R) Centerfire Pistol Model 3269
I'm puzzled that the Nano is considered too big. The LC9, LC9s and LC380 and the Nano are all about the same size. The Nano just looks blocky, IMHO
BU9 Nano
Ruger(R) LC9s(R) Centerfire Pistol Model 3269
Taurus G2 and G3 series are striker fired with second strike, a long, fairly smooth DAO, and a manual safety.
As the G2 and G3 series are literally Glock clones, perplexing that Taurus will provide a manual safety and Glock won't, even though Glock provided the Australian and British militaries with manual safety G17 and G19 third gen's when competing for contracts.
As the G2 and G3 series are literally Glock clones, perplexing that Taurus will provide a manual safety and Glock won't, even though Glock provided the Australian and British militaries with manual safety G17 and G19 third gen's when competing for contracts.
I see that now - didn't see it before I posted though.
I will be sending my LC9 back to the mothership, but first I want to confirm what I think happened.
I believe my LC9 fired while about 3/32" out of battery. The ammo I was using was Speer Lawman 115gr and the case had a separation that starts just above the top edge of the extractor groove and extends about 1/4 of the way around the case and down into the extractor groove. The separation happened at the unsupported area of the feed ramp. The case is bulged right at the feed ramp - you can clearly see the line on the side of the case where the unsupported area of the feed ramp meets the chamber. When the case is inserted into the chamber of the barrel it stops just a little more than 1/16" from seating all the way - and it is the bulged feed ramp area that keeps it from seating.
So, it appears to me that it fired when it was still about 1-16" ro 3/32" out of battery and the case bulged and started to have a head separation at the unsupported area of the feed ramp. This blew the extractor off, along with the piece that retains it and the extractor spring, as well as bending the loaded chamber indicator to where it sticks up all the time - whether there is a round in the chamber or not.
So far I have confirmed that you can hold the slide slightly out of battery and pull the trigger and it will release the hammer. I want to do this with an empty primed case to confirm that the firing pin will hit the primer with enough force to ignite it. If it does, that will confirm that firing out of battery is what caused the damage.
In order to get it to fire the primer I'll probably have to point it straight up into the air and insert a pencil or dowel into the barrel to hold the empty primed case against the breechface - since the extractor isn't there to do it.
But that is what I plan on doing to confirm my suspicions before sending it in to Ruger. I plan to make a video of my experiments as confirmation and evidence to send to Ruger when I contact them by email to notify them of the problem.
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Interesting. I’ll have to check my LC9S tomorrow. See if I can pull the trigger while slightly out of battery.
Cool. Do that and let me know please.
I just played with mine a little. A aiming it straight up with 6" long pencil in the barrel, it will fire and the firing pin will launch the pencil 4' to 5' into the air, even when it is out of battery by as much as 3/16" - well past the point where the takedown pin can be pushed out.
If you retract the slide much farther than that the trigger is just dead - it moves back and forth with no real resistance and doesn't release the sear.
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I guess it depends on what you're trained with as to second strike. I'm a firearms instructor for my agency, or was until I retired. Second strike with Glocks wasn't an option, and of the thousands of rounds I saw fired, there were zero failed primers. The tap, rack, boom was the only drill taught. With revolvers, back in the day, pulling the trigger was indeed second nature, but it brought a new round under the hammer.
LVSteve
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Doh! How could I forget the CZ100, I nearly bought one.
Excellent skill to practice.
However, still not as fast as pulling the trigger a second time - if the round goes off on the second try. If not then tap, rack, bang is still an option with only a fraction of a second lost.
The other benefit of second strike is if the round fires the second try you haven't "tossed" one round of your firearm's capacity.
Point being, no matter how well trained you are there are still benefits to second strike.
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Again not being argumentative, but if the round doesn't fire the first time it's struck, what guarantees it'll fire the second time? Obviously, there's something wrong with the primer, unless there's something wrong with your pistol. Few handguns nowadays have second strike capability and I'm not sure it's a good idea with guns that do and unhelpful with a dead primer. Training takes place of instinct, and the woman above had good training and did the right thing.
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