Duct tape to keep cylinder closed?

[jbouwens]

Just when I thought I had seen it all. I was running the pawn shop tour today and ran into a fella with a special revolver. It was a 13-1 with duct tape holding the cylinder in the frame. The center pin in the cylinder was jammed in and was not extending out to engage the hole in the frame and the opposite end was crunching the catch. The real kicker was ----you guessed it------ loaded with plus P 38 special hydra-shocks. I was the first guy he handed it to and I promtly emptied the revolver with a bit of a grin. While I have seen my share of 100 MPH tapped gun---shotgun stocks, M1 carbine band strap replacement, double barrel for-stock "holder", etc-- I kind of wonder what would happen is the fella tried to cock the hammer. Oh well good thing he brought it in before he needed it.

Oh yea I offered to buy the "silver gun" but the fella said it was a company gun (security gig I think)

 

[TAC]

Nothing would have happened if someone tried to cock it. You can't cock a revolver if the cylinder can't turn. Maybe it was taped just to hold it together until someone could repair it. But it sure shouldn't have been loaded!

 

[feralmerril]

I remember going to my first security job the first day 44 years ago. I releaved a old russian that could barely speak english. He wanted to see my revolver. I showed him it and said where is yours? He pulled out a colt DS from his back pocket and a snot rag was hanging out the end of the barrel! I said whats this! He said it was to protect from rust!

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

Company Guns

When you wrote about the gun being a "company gun" I am reminded of a friend of mine many years back who was a senior manager for a local guard company (notice I didn't say "security")

ALL of the issue revolvers this particular company had were old S&W M 10 4" heavy barrels that were bought cheap...old police service guns. ALL were worn out and many were quite obviously even dangerous to use (yes, a few had duct tape/electrical tape/wrapping tape on them)...all of his armed guards were required to carry them, but empty! (No ammunition allowed)

When I asked him why his company issued such things considering what kinds of venues they provided service to, he stated they were meant to be seen only and the clients billed for "armed service"...they were never meant to be used. When I brought up hanging a target on a poor guy with no means to defend himself in a worse case scenario, his response was a shrug and the comment to the effect that he could care less about the guard in that case and that they "all know the risks and if they don't, too bad..."

Kind of off the thread a bit, but related to the original post.

 

[USAF385]

When I asked him why his company issued such things considering what kinds of venues they provided service to, he stated they were meant to be seen only and the clients billed for "armed service"...they were never meant to be used. When I brought up hanging a target on a poor guy with no means to defend himself in a worse case scenario, his response was a shrug and the comment to the effect that he could care less about the guard in that case and that they "all know the risks and if they don't, too bad..."

Yeah... that just isn't right! I don't know... I guess I feel a guards first line of defense shouldn't be... running to call the cops... like mall cops need to do. Of course, the sort of people I often see as mall cops... well I wouldn't want to see them carrying a gun....

No offense to any mall security personnel.

 

[Jack Flash]

"... duct tape holding the cylinder in the frame."

Sounds like one that would be advertised as "Like New" by some of our internet salespeople.

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

Yeah... that just isn't right! I don't know... I guess I feel a guards first line of defense shouldn't be... running to call the cops... like mall cops need to do. Of course, the sort of people I often see as mall cops... well I wouldn't want to see them carrying a gun....

No offense to any mall security personnel.

I worked mall security for a few years...no offense taken. Most of the people I had the privelege of working with were the highest caliber...most of us had LE training in the first place. When the mall was sold to someone with open sympathy to the gangs, things got different REAL quick.

A private security guard is merely a scarecrow and a scapegoat...nothing more.

 

[feralmerril]

I started out as a guard in california 45 years ago BEFORE the state had the consumers affairs board took over state requirements, licenes,s and tests. That came in about 1970. I was in the very 1st batch of guards to go through all the schooling and tests. It was nausiateing to say the least! You could easily pass the test if you kept one principal in mind: As a guard, you are jack ****, and any LEO was king. "Observe and report" was the motto if there was one. The state dictated the tests and what was taught. The answers was mostly dumb to me, but like anything else, you had to tell them what they wanted to hear, not nessasarly what you belived or what common sense would tell you.
Their idea was to have you peak around a corner observeing a criminal act, quivering for your life, then run and get a "real" cop hero to save you.
I dont need it anymore, but as a souviner, I have kept my old permit for open carry and state guard license as other instructors have told me it is the lowest # they ever seen. I belive it was #544 state wide. Hope the system has got more realistic.
Thank God, my company (lockheed aircaft) had our own range and continueing schooling by captains etc, that were old time cops. Retired now for the last 9+ years, and had started there in 1965.
I remember my 1st guard job before that. The supervisor hired me, gave me a rough 10 minuet talk, a adress to relive another guard. As I was walking out the door he yelled hey, If anybody asks you------ I stopped him short and interupted him, and said, yeah! I know, I been doing this for about 5 years, right? He just smiled and waved me off!
I then relived that old russian I told about that had a hankercheif in the barrel of his gun eariler. The next morning there was a large group of pickets on strike at the small company gate hasseling me. I was NEVER told the place was on strike!

 

[USAF385]

I worked mall security for a few years...no offense taken. Most of the people I had the privelege of working with were the highest caliber...most of us had LE training in the first place. When the mall was sold to someone with open sympathy to the gangs, things got different REAL quick.

A private security guard is merely a scarecrow and a scapegoat...nothing more.

A few guards at my local mall went to my high school.. graduated a few years ahead of me, but I knew of them. The fact they they are trusted to guard to mall and its merchandise is shocking to me. The kind of kids who were always up to no good... and not the harmless silly stuff. These are the sort I'm glad aren't carrying.

I have a cousin working as an unarmed security guard at a disk manufacturing plant (DVDs, BluRay, CDs... the final product). The sad thing is, they're mostly there to guard against internal issues. The company uses a lot of temp workers.... not the sort that get trusted much.

 

[zoom6zoom]

duct tape holding the cylinder in the frame

That's the new "external lock"

 

[jbouwens]

That's the new "external lock"

You're not right. I still have a grin thinking about it.

 

[Smitty500Mag]

He pulled out a colt DS from his back pocket and a snot rag was hanging out the end of the barrel! I said whats this! He said it was to protect from rust!

I'm bettin' he was French instead of Russian and the snot rag was for surrendering instead of rust.

Smitty