* * Ebola Discussion

[BearBio]

"I'm going to guess that you probably have had little to do with federal employees. While most are competent, there are a significant number that a political hacks who have as their highest priority protecting their pensions. That doesn't even count the political appointees who put ideology ahead of doing their job."

The rank and file are often very competent and hard working. Most, if not all, supervisory staff above the line level are chosen for "other reasons". If you doubt me, ask any hetero, white male in Federal Service who is not a political appointee.

 

[GaryS]

I believe you because the same dynamic holds true at the state and local level. I won't drift off topic by mentioning why I was bypassed for promotion.

The rank and file are often very competent and hard working. Most, if not all, supervisory staff above the line level are chosen for "other reasons". If you doubt me, ask any hetero, white male in Federal Service who is not a political appointee.

 

[just jim]

I'm going to guess that you probably have had little to do with federal employees. While most are competent, there are a significant number that a political hacks who have as their highest priority protecting their pensions. That doesn't even count the political appointees who put ideology ahead of doing their job.

I'll also guess that you haven't had much contact with modern academia or it's products. "Credentialed, not educated" could be their motto.

As someone else notes, the President just appointed an "Ebola Czar" to oversee the efforts to contain the disease. Note that he's not a doctor, he's a lawyer and long time political hack. The President's primary concern is to contain and manage the news cycle, not the disease. At least until after the November mid terms.

So much for the concern and competence of our so called federal leadership.

You guess pretty good, I haven't been to a college since I was a young man. I made a living building highways working for contractors in the private sector. No way would they have put up with this much incompetence. I saw many a supervisor sent down the road for not being on the ball.

I guess I am living in the past when people cared about the quality of their work.

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

Now CNN is flaming the story of a lab technician from Dallas Presby who took a cruise vacation. She boarded in Galveston Texas. The ship is now not being allowed to dock in Belize. It has been three weeks w/o symptoms, if I heard correctly.

 

[GaryS]

Fox isn't any better in this regard. They really seem to be missing the story that people that LIVED with Duncan and had no protective gear, have been symptom free. The lab tech doesn't seem to have had direct contact with him, she handled a lab specimen. Much lower risk, I'd think.

Now CNN is flaming the story of a lab technician from Dallas Presby who took a cruise vacation. She boarded in Galveston Texas. The ship is now not being allowed to dock in Belize. It has been three weeks w/o symptoms, if I heard correctly.

 

[GaryS]

That's because the ones that disagreed with him tended to die of acute lead poisoning.

History would state that Hitlers greatest mistake was the invasion of Russia. No .... it was surrounding himself with yes men that knew only to say "Yes sir"
This has more to do with things today than education.

 

[venomballistics]

That's because the ones that disagreed with him tended to die of acute lead poisoning.

And those who didn't take their heavy metal supplements ultimately died on a rope, with the last words "I was following orders"

 

[GaryS]

Duncan was the first BIOTERRORIST.

He's not even close, by several hundred years. Smallpox was used against Native Americans in colonial days. Before that, it was used, even if accidentally, in Medieval times.

Anthrax was used after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, although no one has been identified or prosecuted. An elderly woman in CT died because she handled an Anthrax laced envelope in her mail box. Anthrax was mailed to a TV news studio somewhere in the south National Enquirer Office in Florida and one person died. I think a couple of US Senators offices received letters with Anthrax as well.

At various times infected, dead animals have been dumped in wells to poison water supplies during battles.

I'm sure that there are more examples, but those are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.

 

[eyegots2no]

I would have more to say but

I JUST PUKED ON MY KEYBOARD.

 

[feralmerril]

Hey! I`m eating here!

 

[venomballistics]

I would have more to say but

I JUST PUKED ON MY KEYBOARD.

better check in with the CDC so they can clear you to fly to your vacation destination

 

[just jim]

I would have more to say but

I JUST PUKED ON MY KEYBOARD.

Time to go on a cruise.

 

[darmtn1917]

First let me say that our education system is supposed to be second to none so why is it with all these smart people running the show do we have infected nurses flying or taking cruises? The center for disease control can not be that *******g dumb. Even the average person can see it is wrong so tell me why it is happening?

PLEASE show where the nurse on the cruise has anything! And the hysteria continues

The idea that were going to isolate EVERYONE who has any part of patient treatment is going to make for complete lack of any expert staff. Kindly remember the Atlanta hospital had no problems

 

[loknload]

Originally Posted by just jim
First let me say that our education system is supposed to be second to none so why is it with all these smart people running the show do we have infected nurses flying or taking cruises? The center for disease control can not be that *******g dumb. Even the average person can see it is wrong so tell me why it is happening?

First off they can't teach everything from a book, secondly they can't teach common sense and third sometimes people are so smart they're stupid.
I think that just about sums it up!

 

[venomballistics]

PLEASE show where the nurse on the cruise has anything! And the hysteria continues

The idea that were going to isolate EVERYONE who has any part of patient treatment is going to make for complete lack of any expert staff. Kindly remember the Atlanta hospital had no problems

presby was good for two transmissions to its staff, one hopped a flight to Akron with a fever after another coworker was a full blown case ....
Theres some irresponsible behavior involved here.
I wouldn't file it under hysteria as much as an unwillingness to underestimate their established track record for bonehead plays.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A portion of the parking lot at the Pentagon has been secured after a woman who had recently been to Africa began to vomit.

 

[GaryS]

Dallas Pres aside, it's mostly hysteria. A friend of mine who has been an ED nurse for a long time and a paramedic before that, likens this to the mid 1980s AIDS hysteria. Two nurses at his hospital have stated their refusal to treat potential Ebola patients.

Again I'll note that people who lived with Duncan, presumably without PPE, have not become symptomatic as of yet.

I'm going out to dinner with a friend and his girlfriend tonight. I'll be careful not to drink excessively because I don't want to end up in isolation in case I throw up.

presby was good for two transmissions to its staff, one hopped a flight to Akron with a fever after another coworker was a full blown case ....
Theres some irresponsible behavior involved here.
I wouldn't file it under hysteria as much as an unwillingness to underestimate their established track record for bonehead plays.

 

[darmtn1917]

"infected nurses flying or taking cruises"
Person on cruise is "self isolating" has shown no symptoms, cleared of any symptoms by ships doctor, may or MAYNOT have had contact with blood specimen but to up the hysteria becomes "infected nurse" thats a big jump and makes it seem it's spreading .....

 

[venomballistics]

"infected nurses flying or taking cruises"
Person on cruise is "self isolating" has shown no symptoms, cleared of any symptoms by ships doctor, may or MAYNOT have had contact with blood specimen but to up the hysteria becomes "infected nurse" thats a big jump and makes it seem it's spreading .....

which in the case of the cruise princess ... no she is probably NOT infected.
but that don't change the fact that Belize won't let that boat dock because she boarded the ship on an empty head.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

If a facility like Dallas can't handle Ebola, how many across the country are able to? The capacity to properly handle Ebola seems a lot more limited today than it did two weeks ago.

 

[darmtn1917]

If a facility like Dallas can't handle Ebola, how many across the country are able to? The capacity to properly handle Ebola seems a lot more limited today than it did two weeks ago.

I think there are 4 hospitals setup with the contagious disease areas - it may require a examination of the countries needs, maybe a hospital in every state that is supported like we do trauma centers

 

[venomballistics]

If a facility like Dallas can't handle Ebola, how many across the country are able to? The capacity to properly handle Ebola seems a lot more limited today than it did two weeks ago.

I honestly hope that is not the case, and can be rectified if it is the case.
Nurse one was quoted as saying presby staff is the best in the world ... I really hope she's getting a crash course in what "The best" really is, and takes that lesson home.

Nurse two, as some sources say, flew to Akron making preparations for a wedding. I can see how that would motivate her foolishness, and the CDC didn't help matters.

Lab tech .... she's probably the most hated person on board the ship right now. The Captain has got to love explaining to all the passengers why they can only view their paid for travel destination from the deck with binoculars.
It would not surprise me to learn the cruise line has her banned and barred for life.

 

[GatorFarmer]

I read a story today about a Liberian nursing student. Four members of her family came down with Ebola. She had no PPE so made her own out of trashbags. She then cared for all four family members at home. Three out of four survived, the one who died seemed to have underlying health issues
The nurse student never got it. She claims to have simply been fastidious about washing up and using her trash bags.

I found it interesting, given speculation on whether gear in Dallas was sufficient

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A portion of the parking lot at the Pentagon has been secured after a woman who had recently been to Africa began to vomit.

Apparently, the woman lied about being in Liberia..... It's a crazy world...

And... We now have an Ebola Czar who has no background in medicine at all... Did I mention it's a crazy world?

 

[Stevens]

He is too a doctor, a SPIN DOCTOR! A political hack for the last 20 years.
Steve W.

 

[LVSteve]

Because some people don't think it'll happen to them, even if they were exposed. And because CDC was incompetent in advising them.

Consider this. Had the CDC come down hot and heavy there would have been a cavalry charge of civil liberties and government conspiracy types screaming blue murder about the infringement of basic rights and federal government overreach.

There is no middle ground allowed in the media or the public's eye when it comes to a government agency. They are either not doing enough or getting too deep into people's lives.

 

[finesse_r]

More people will die from automobile accidents in Rhode Island, while wearing seat belts and totally sober, this month, than will ever die from Ebola in the entire USA. So I have a lot of trouble getting too concerned about some incredibly remote possibility, just because it is in the news.

 

[roundgunner]

More people will die from automobile accidents in Rhode Island, while wearing seat belts and totally sober, this month, than will ever die from Ebola in the entire USA. So I have a lot of trouble getting too concerned about some incredibly remote possibility, just because it is in the news.

I sure hope you are right but If you are wrong and this gets away...

 

[LostintheOzone]

More people will die from automobile accidents in Rhode Island, while wearing seat belts and totally sober, this month, than will ever die from Ebola in the entire USA. So I have a lot of trouble getting too concerned about some incredibly remote possibility, just because it is in the news.

That's easy for you to say. You're in NE Texas.

 

[GaryS]

Any large teaching hospital should be able to handle a patient who requires isolation. Dallas Pres is more of a boutique style hospital according to friends of mine from the area who are familiar with it. What we would call around her a "community hospital" with nice facilities, but not the place anyone who knows anything about hospitals would go if they were really sick.

If a facility like Dallas can't handle Ebola, how many across the country are able to? The capacity to properly handle Ebola seems a lot more limited today than it did two weeks ago.