Electronic Gun Registration??

[1911haulic]

I stopped at a Big Box Sporting Goods store to purchase a Colt Python 3". The clerk asked for my ID and handed me an electronic tablet to enter my Last Name & zip code on the first screen. When I selected "next", I had to read and accept the terms. I first agreed, thinking it was normal. next it asked for my phone number and email (as optional). I then asked the clerk, "I just want to fill out the old form". He said this electronic was required if I wanted to purchase a gun. I hit the "Exit" button and told him I would pass on the purchase.

Sure looks like the starting of a national database of purchases to me. I guess I won't be buying any more, they may have won by covert methods.

Thoughts?

 

[bigwheelzip]

Used both a free-standing kiosk and a tablet to input purchase data at big-box stores. Considering the purchases were made with a credit card, big brother already knows everything.

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[sigp220.45]

My local places all use the tablet. Doesn't bother me. I bought a gun at a pawn shop last week and was surprised to get the paper form.

 

[Bald1]

I believe it to simply be an electronic 4473. Cabelas/Basspro near me has been doing it for several years. Even a paper 4473 can go into a data base. One way or another "they" have your info.

 

[NY-1]

Most of my local gun shops perform electronic 4473 entry via a tablet now. It's pretty convenient, and since this state has a registration scheme in place anyway it doesn't make much of a difference to me.

 

[cgt4570]

I'm sure I'm on 'the list' and my wife is waiting for the black helicopters to fly over the house any day now.

 

[Truckman]

I've done both electronic and paper 4473's in recent years...I don't let little things like that worry me, or stand between me and a gun I want......Ben

 

[mrchick]

I've done both and believe the information goes to same database no matter how it is gathered.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

Even if you fill out the paper form 4473 the seller is calling in your info to your state DOJ or to the FBI for an electronic background check. What made you think the 4473 was anonymous?

 

[Beemerguy53]

Here in Maryland, in order to buy any handgun, a citizen must have a Handgun Qualification License (HQL) issued by the Maryland State Police (MSP). The HQL is good for 10 years, if memory serves me.

The first step in your purchase of any individual handgun is to go online at the MSP's website and complete their Form 77R, which is basically a copy of the federal 4473. Once you digitally sign the 77R, you are issued an application number and PIN which you take to your FFL. The FFL then verifies your HQL, completes his part of the 77R, and collects $10 from you on behalf of the MSP. This transaction starts Maryland's seven-day waiting period for all handgun purchases, after which you take possession of your new shootin' iron. (My FFL always does the 4473 then as well.)

Electronic records are the norm now, in many, many businesses, and as others have pointed out, if "they" want to know what you have, "they" can find out fairly easily.

 

[Racer X]

I purchased a few Glocks through the local PD's athletic association ( gun shop and shooting range).

Their computer system generated a QR code that I scanned on my smartphone, and a secure website popped up and I did the 4473 on my smartphone.

 

[jake1945]

Our local hospital uses those electronic tablets too. They don't always work right and you need help from an assistant.

 

[Truckman]

Even if you fill out the paper form 4473 the seller is calling in your info to your state DOJ or to the FBI for an electronic background check. What made you think the 4473 was anonymous?

My Texas CHL is an alternative to the background check...Nothing gets called in nor sent anywhere...The information gathered electronically and the paper forms 4473 are retained by the FFL for a period of not less than 20 years, after which they can be destroyed by the FFL...

There are more efficient methods of surveillance available to the government than maintaining and searching a cavernous database the size of the Grand Canyon......Ben

 

[stansdds]

Electronic records are faster to transfer and take up a fraction of the space required by paper forms. I've done them both ways, questions, at least here in Virginia, were the same. Is it a form of firearms registration? Officially, no, in reality, that information is retained somewhere and for a reason.

 

[ladder13]

NC allows private handgun sales with no paperwork, between licensed individuals, for now.
Store bought handguns require a 4473, our CHP is our BGC.
No wait, instant gratification.

 

[Bald1]

My Texas CHL is an alternative to the background check...Nothing gets called in nor sent anywhere...The information gathered electronically and the paper forms 4473 are retained by the FFL for a period of not less than 20 years, after which they can be destroyed by the FFL...

There are more efficient methods of surveillance available to the government than maintaining and searching a cavernous database the size of the Grand Canyon......Ben

What is a Texas CHL? Why bother with 4473 if it doesn't get called in? My son lives in Texas and he's never mentioned a CHL to me. Maybe because he's an Alaska resident (military).

 

[Truckman]

What is a Texas CHL?

Concealed Handgun License...That was the name when I first got mine 25 years ago...It was changed sometime later to LTC (License To Carry)...And it's an alternative to the background check, but not to the 4473......Ben

 

[Rlg#17]

Overreaction on your part fer schizzle. You are probably ina lot more databases then you could even imagine just by being a member of this or other organizations.

Highly unlikely that anyone isn't in a database, maybe a true old order Amish member. I believe that some venues might allow for a non picture �� card, but that isn't legal for a purchase of a firearm. Worked in a fairly large shop the owner wanted me to have their drivers purchase for them, I told him to pound sand and I was gone the same day. Last I heard atf got him and he was done.

I've had them try to purchase at my table at a show. Wouldn't do it. They have zero �� to prove they are a resident. Now a Mennonite is a different story.

Go there, use the tablet if you want to. We are a longways off from the, Lost them boat ina boat accident Mr man, times. And that isn't going to work without a lot of paperwork to prove it.

Regards, Rick Gibbs

 

[glenwolde]

The reason for the contact information is so they can get a hold of you if there's a delay or a problem with the form that needs to be corrected. It's the store wanting that, not the ATF.

Since there's software that can convert the information on a form to data, paper forms offer zero protection. Plus all that paper is a pain these days.

 

[stansdds]

NC allows private handgun sales with no paperwork, between licensed individuals, for now.
Store bought handguns require a 4473, our CHP is our BGC.

Virginia used to allow private transfers, now transfers must be through an FFL.