Even Bother to Reload?

I have been thinking about getting into reloading. Don't even think about it unless you have time to spare, are somewhat mechanically inclined, and are patient.
I don't shoot that often but I like to have ammo on hand for when I do. I have about 400 rounds of .38 130 grain target ammo, plus about 200 rounds of my old duty ammo, but I don;t want to shoot that stuff at paper. IF you can find it at all, winchester white box .38 target ammo is $20 a box. That is just insanity.Yes, insanity. And it isn't going to get better. As prices increase, saving 40% of $100 worth of ammo will become saving 40% of $200. You can make 9mm for about what you might pay for 22LR now, if you can get it.

I have been saving my brass for the last 2 years and probably have 400 spent cases. Keep doing this, and pick up others' brass as well. I know I can get the press, and primers are becoming a bit easier to find, but powder or bullets are nowhere! Bullets are available - for pistol check Berry's Bullets for example. Powder comes available, and you have to jump on it immediately when it does. You need to keep a 6 month supply minimum atm to stay supplied - it could take that long to get replacement stuff. And get used to ordering by the thousands :) I'm not gonna start casting lead bullets. Me neither :) I am literally looking to load 300 rounds or so at a time. That's a nice upper limit for a Lee Turret Press. A progressive will take longer to do a caliber changeover than it would to make that much ammo. I doubt I shoot more than 500 rounds a year through my .38.

First of all, what is REALLY needed? I can get a Lee Turret press for around $225 that comes with most of the equipment. Start with the kit. Use it and add/replace stuff when you actually experience the need to. But I figure I need a tumbler to clean the brass, and a digital scale The Lee scale is a PITA, but it works. Cheap digital scales are next to worthless. Get a set of RCBS check weights instead of a second scale. You will then have confidence that your scale is set extremely close to your target weight(s). You also need a way to separate tumbled brass from the media - a covered media separator keeps dust in - OTOH a colander works too. Lizard Bedding from Petco (eg) is crushed walnut and works well. , plus the literature, etc. I'm thinking all in start up costs would eb around $500 if I could get the powder and bullets. Yup, $500 now and probably another $100-$500 as/if you progress to higher volumes and/or better equipment. You could watch for powder, then when it comes available pull the trigger on everything else.

I have beens aving my 9MM brass and recently got a Garand so I save that too, so it wouldn't just be for the .38.
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Spread out the cost...

I think I will enjoy it. Time alone in the garage while the kids are upstairs is right up my alley.

While I am not looking forward to laying out the start up costs, with what I shoot now (and I would probably shoot more if I reload), I would break even in less than 2 years on the savings. From then on, it's all profit.

Spread out the cost over time unless you want to get the whole rig. You WILL probably shoot more. One problem with the economy of reloading is that you can always use few more tools.:D One advantage is that if you stock up on supplies YOU WON'T BE A VICTIM OF THESE DAMN SHORTAGES. If I didn't reload, I would probably be able to shoot once or twice a year.
 
Oh, my! I feel I must reply to the original post with my experience. I'm going to be a relatively low volume re-loader. Matter of fact, I re-loaded my first 500 rounds with the Lee loader!

I recently moved up to a RCBS Partner single stage press ($72) and a set of Lee dies for .38 Sp and .357 Mag ($42)



Along with this, I have a Lee powder thrower ($23) and a Hornady GS-1500 electronic scale ($34) and a sexy little Lee Auto-Prime XR primer press. ($24)





As far as vibratory or ultrasonic cleaning goes? Here's what I do- I found a Tube vid with a recipe for cleaning brass for (almost) free, using hot water, vinegar, salt and dish soap. It works great!





I'm now thoroughly enjoying reloading... have loaded .38 and .357 with both 125 gr. plated FP, and 158 gr. lead SWC. I've developed a nice shooting round that my model 10 snubby loves, and some tasty straight shooting rounds for my 686 in both .357 Mag and .38 Sp.

So! For less that $200, I'm in the game. I focus on repeatability and quality and keep good records as I learn, and it's fun, too.

Costs? I'm loading with the plated 125 gr. figuring to $0.15/round. The lead 158 gr. is running about $0.11 ish.
 
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As others have said you will shoot more for less but a bigger plus is the enjoyment you get from shooting something you made yourself. I actually enjoy reloading a few rounds more than shooting them, call me crazy but when you are reloading you are in your own little world, daily cares just seem to take a back seat. Welcome to the world of brass, primers, bullets and powder! Have fun!!
 
I've recently got into reloading and couldn't be happier. There is some excellent advice in the above posts. I'm sure your round count will increase quite a bit once you begin reloading :)

I just can't get my own foot out of my *** for not starting years ago...
 
I think I will enjoy it. Time alone in the garage while the kids are upstairs is right up my alley.

While I am not looking forward to laying out the start up costs, with what I shoot now (and I would probably shoot more if I reload), I would break even in less than 2 years on the savings. From then on, it's all profit.

The RCBS kit I linked to above is top of the line and will last for several lifetimes. The manual is very good and the scale is also very good. There is no junk there. Get some dies for 38/357 and you will find some primers and powder.

There are a few other small items you need like calipers, mistake hammer (bullet puller) you can live without a tumblers just wash the brass as indicated by Harley Fan, It works just fine!

If you later decide you are not into it, The RCBS equipment is very easy to sell..

I use a LEE Turrett as I load so many different calibers it's easy to change over. It can be used a single stage. Heck I have my first LEE breech lock single stage I would sell if it helps you out. It's very inexpensive but works fine. When I started I had it bolted to a 3/4 piece of plywood and C clamped it to the kitchen table!
 
Wow, I am surprised the "Blue Man Group" hasn't thrown in their $400 worth....

First suggestion is to keep your eyes open on your local Craigslist and swap and sell flyers. Tax time cometh and a lot of people that thought they were going to become reloaders might be putting those NIB items up for sale to help keep Uncle Sam happy. This will require some homework on your part to know different pieces of equipment and what they are worth.

Second, the use the search feature on the forum. There are several threads on here with people looking to get started.

Third, if searching for a quality scale on eBay check on Ohaus, as the manufacturer scales for most of the name brand reloading companies like RCBS.

Fourth, don't forget to put some thought into a bench as well.

Fifth, some crazy member created a thread with daily notices for reloading supplies that come in stock, don't forget to keep an eye on that and Gunbot.net for components.
 
Get a single stage press and a powder trickler and give it a go. Berry's Bullets has a bunch of projectiles in stock. Powder is a little tougher, but give us the rounds you want to reload and we can give you a list of powders that will work.

I have a Dillon 650, but reload some rounds like 44mag max loads on a single stage press for control and consistency.

Chris
 
Go look at what Ross3914 wrote.
For many of us, handloading ammo was the cheapest way to shoot about twice as much for the same $.
I loaded a (blank)load of rounds on a Lee Loader. A lot of guys did.
I still use the single stage press I bought in the early '70s. I have some other equipment mainly directed towards convienience & ease of use. All are single stage operations.
I try to go to the local shows and get there early on Sat. to snatch up any deals on powder, primer, boolitt, & brass. Powder seems to be the most scarce.
You will get a lot of satisfaction from loading up your own personal rounds, and you will tailor their performance to your specific firearms.
Now, go do it.
 
NO NO, reloading is bad, really bad. Those other posters are just trying to lead you astray. I am here for you, just send me all that evil brass so you can resist the urge to reload. Reloading is really bad it is just one of the many first steps down a road of darkness, you must resist. I am just trying to save you from being taken to the darkside. Sooooo just send me your brass and you can go on without being tempted...I will properly dispose of that terrible brass for you at no charge to you. Yes I am here for you....
 
OP:

one of the regular members shoots in our club Steel Challenge monthly match...we burn something around 175 rounds per match....he says he loads his 38s on a Lee hand-tool set up....sits & watches his tv program & takes his time.

Course, he's a retired submarine officer & is used to multitasking slowly.
 
Where in Pennsylvania are you located? If it's western Pennsylvania you really need to think about taking a drive to Ashland, Ohio. There just east of the exit on I-71 for route 250 you will find Fin, Feather, & Fur, the finest reloading center in the Midwest. Right now you'll find they have a pretty good selection of Aliant Handgun Powders in stock. You'll also find very good prices on reloading equipment, such as an RCBS Rockchucker Supreme for 119.95. They also have the best selection of reloading dies of any shop I've ever been in.

Now for a basic equipment list. Note, some of my recommendations are a result of my attempt to go cheap and I've learned that Cheap just doesn't work well.

First is a press and with your low volume that Rockchucker is a fantastic choice. It's a very well made press that can load either handgun or rifle without any problems. About the only defect is the primer collection system should be called the Primer Spreader System. Because you will end up with primers on the floor.

Second you'll want a good scale and the RCBS 502 is an easy to use balance type scale that sells for about 80 bucks. Note, digitals are nice for a quick check but ALL of the under 100 dollar digitial seem to develop a "wandering zero" after they've been turned on for a while. To be blunt I don't trust the low cost digitals and that is based on experience.

Third you'll want a good Powder Measure because hand weighing each charge is a real pain and SLOW. I would recommend the RCBS Competition measure Handgun/Rifle kit even if it is rather expensive at 174.99 at Midway. I have several of the cheap 25 dollar Lee powder measures and while they do work well with powders such as IMR SR7625 or Vihtavouri 3N37 they leak like a sieve with a really fine grained powder such as Accurate # 5 and won't meter Unique or Longshot worth spit. Spend the big bucks on a premium measure and you get a powder measure that will meter any handgun powder made and doesn't leak fine grained powders all over your bench. The RCBS also has enough leverage that you can "chop logs" and load extruded rifle powders.

Number 4 item is a Hand Primer. Note, I like to hand prime my cases because I can "feel" when a case may have a primer pocket that is getting worn out. Most presses have so much leverage that you really don't get a good feel for the insertion force for a primer. My choice is the RCBS Universal Hand Primer for 65 bucks, you don't need an array of shell holders for and it works well.

Case cleaning. The vibrating tumblers don't work real efficiently with long deep cases like the 38 special or almost any rifle case. This means that you can have a batch of brass running for 8 or 10 hours if you want it really clean. Ultrasonics are another option but the are somewhat dependent on solutions that are acidic and a bit harsh that can shorten the life of your brass. If you want brass that looks sparkling new there isn't a cheap answer, the finest method I've found for cleaning brass is a Thumblers Tumbler with stainless steel pins and this setup costs about 245 dollars. If you can accept brass that looks sort of OK on the outside with powder staining on the inside of the case a 75 dollar Lyman vibrating tumbler and some walnut shells will do the job in about 4 hours.

Incidentals. Inertial bullet pullers are cheap at 15-20 bucks but will break after a few hundred wacks. Get one and plan on doing your best to not make up a large batch of ammunition that needs to be broken down due to a poor powder choice or basic loading error. Digital Calipers are extremely handy for determining overall lengths and a good caliper can be had for about 50 dollars (google "Procheck caliper"). Oddly enough a calculator can be a very handy addition to your loading bench. Because with a 14 thread per inch on the dies you can use that calculator to determine exactly how much 1/12 turn will move your die.

Manuals. One warning, you will find conflicts between manuals. Even so you can never have too many manuals. The 3 top manuals are the Lyman 49th, Speer 14th, and Lee 2nd. In addition to these manuals every powder manufacturer has load data available on an online site and most have full load manuals that you can download via a PDF file.
 
I found reloading to not only allows me to shoot more for less, but I am also shooting better now than ever before because I shoot more! It's nice not going broke after a few hours of shooting. An added benefit is I find reloading very relaxing, and rewarding. It's easy to get lost in it and I often find myself realizing a few hours have passed as I focus on the process. Not to mention the satisfaction that comes from working up loads and cutting one ragged hole in the target. :)

I use the Lee 4-hole turret kit with Lee scale, case trimmers and extra die plates for each caliber to make caliber changes a snap. Also picked up a micrometer, cheap tumbler and use a cat litter sifter to shake off the tumbling media. All in I have about $325 invest, plus powder, primer and bullets. After loading the first 1000 44 mag rounds for about $.28 a pop, I think I more than hit the "break even" point.

But as others noted, it is addicting!

Be well.
 
All previous posts are spot on. Original question, (Even Bother to Reload)? YES! But, NEVER EVER drink the Blue Koolaid! Couldn't help myself!:)
 
If you get a single stage (or turret) press outfit you will be able to do what you want as far as reloading is concerned, but it will be slow and more tedious and might even turn you off to reloading. If you really get into it you will more than likely upgrade to a progressive press once you see and experience all the benefits and cost savings. Progressive presses (once mastered) are very fast, produce high quality ammo and in the long run are the only way to fly IMHO.

About a year ago I upgrades from a Dillon Square Deal-B to a Dillon 650. Both are progressive presses but the 650 is SMOOTH, FAST, & EASY where as the SD-B was a lot slower and took much more effort to operate. Yes it does cost a bit more but all I can say is that for 30 years I hated reloading (but did it anyway because of the volume I shoot) and now I actually think it's fun and kind of like it. Now I am mad at myself for not upgrading sooner!
 
Wow, I am surprised the "Blue Man Group" hasn't thrown in their $400 worth....


Fifth, some crazy member created a thread with daily notices for reloading supplies that come in stock, don't forget to keep an eye on that and Gunbot.net for components.

It appears to be a Blue hint at post #29 and full bore addiction at post # 36 :D;)
 
Took up reloading twenty some years ago. Did it entirely to lower the cost of shooting. Almost blew myself up on three occasions. Was very lucky there was only trivial damage to myself and the firearm.
Quit reloading out of fear for life and limb.
Resumed reloading two years ago with close guidance from a genuine veteran.
This time my goal was not cost. Desired better quality and softer target loads.
Mission accomplished.
I will repeat the words from my veteran instructor, "Reloading isn't necessarily cheaper. It will allow you to shoot more."
 
custom ammo...

Cost is a big consideration in reloading, but as I gained experience, I began to load for a specific gun, or group of guns, especially revolvers, where there are a wide range of differences in the needs of ammo to get the best out of each gun. I just don't think I would be comfortable buying "generic" ammo for my guns now, no matter what the cost. Flapjack.
 
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