Father and son kill neighbor over a mattress

[gman51]

I asked a lawyer what is the time limit before you are considered common law married. He said their is not time placed on it. He said the shortest time on record was a man took a woman to a motel and he registered husband and wife. She sued him for divorce the next Monday.

If you two share a bank account. State you are married or she takes your last name. Have joint property. Then you are considered married. In Texas I don't think there even is common law marriage now. You fit the description of being married then you are married with or without a wedding license or certificate.

You would be amazed how many older single women coming up on being forced to retire are looking for a man with a house to get married to or live together. She can't afford the expense of an apartment on only her SS check. He croaks she possibly gets the house. I know that seems cold but it is the cold hard facts.

 

[ladder13]

This was all over the 'net yesterday - the dead guy's FB page was sure interesting and would be the sort of thing that defense counsel would enjoy discussing with the prosecution:


Definite language, etc., warning:


Aaron Howard - So this afternoon Right as I wake up and... | Facebook

I'm surprised his page is still up.

 

[hardknocks]

Wow

This incident should have been avoided.
Probably more to this than we see in the video. Seems like they wanted to kill that guy.
Glad I don't live next to them folks.
Sad state of affairs.
Wonder why the video was blurred out and shrunk?

 

[Jack Flash]

In the account of the incident I read, the two shirtless individuals had taken a mattress out of a dumpster and threw it in the mentally unstable man's backyard. You could see how that would set someone off.

There was probably a lot more that led up to this, but it sure doesn't look good for the shirtless pair, standing around with guns at the ready after committing this deliberate provocation.

 

[moralem]

$25,000 bail seems outrageously low for a murder charge.

Separate off topic question for the legal minds. The article described the victim's wife as his "common law wife." With so many people living together, do common law marriages even exist as a thing any more?

They do here in Texas.

 

[Stevens]

Seems the mattress had more sense than the other four put together!
A similar event happened a couple of miles down the road last year neighbors with an ongoing dispute over the property line between their house lots. One morning it came to a head, both got armed, one shot the other dead.
Morons!
Steve W

 

[pittpa]

I just bought s new mattress. The old one ain't worth much, certainly not a life.


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[AimHigher]

Plenty of ignorance demonstrated there. Both father and son guilty of murder.

 

[moosedog]

While in Detroit, I once responded to a mother stabbing her daughter to death on Christmas Day, fighting over the last pork chop. Another time a guy killed his brother after a argument over who was going to clean the fish they caught that day.
Obviously in these dysfunctional situations the steam has been building for some time before the perpetrator finally snaps over what seems like a petty incident. Add a little alcohol or drugs and the snap comes quickly.

 

[Watchdog]

humans = the intelligent species.....

Could've fooled me.

 

[keith44spl]

Watch for this to be plead out.......

There's been folks shot/killed over less.

I've work a few shootings....where one or two of the party were shot on a mattress.


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[rwsmith]

True, I've had my experiences....

Scoff at the idea of common law marriage all you want, but when the time comes to split the sheets you may find that a divorce action is just as tiresome and expensive as if you stood before a preacher to say your "I do".

Buddy of mine went through a divorce several years ago involving a common law wife (no marriage license, no ceremony, just several years of living together and referring to each other publicly as "husband" and "wife"). He had to refinance the house to pay her half the equity, pay off her car loan and credit card bills, two years of spousal maintenance (used to be called alimony), then he found out about a couple of judgements for medical expenses which just about wiped him out.

Common law marriage is very real. Common law divorce does not exist. If you doubt it at all you may just be the one who gets truly screwed.

But I am not a lawyer, and you should not get your legal advice from internet forums. Before you invite someone to cohabitate with you it might be a good idea to consult with a real lawyer.

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....but anyone should consult a local local lawyer. Besides laws varying wildly from state to state, they are in a constant state of flux. Not only that, but a lawyer that is versed in the special area of the law. I saw where states have changed the laws as recently back in the 1980s.

I messed up one time with a lawyer who helped me get my disability take on another claim of mine after I asked for advise on who to consult for that problem and he said he'd take care of it. He is a GREAT Social Securty disabilities lawyer, but he didn't understand situations that were truly adversarial and my case ended up getting thrown out because of that. I reluctantly had to sue him and collect my due benefits from his malpractice insurance rather than the company that tried to put the screws to me. This period in my life wasn't good memories. So yeah, make sure your lawyer has knowledge of the area of law that you need.

PS Had a lawyer that specialized in nothing but adoptions. That was a GREAT experience. In a few months we had a baby and after the time the law requires we had us a baby boy permanently. It's kind funny, too, in that we only owed for the investigation to make sure we had clean closets and some other fees totaling several thousand dollars. The lawyer said that it was the cheapest adoption he ever saw.

 

[Kid_Pappy]

This would never happen to me. Unless I'm at the beach or pool I avoid guys with no shirts on. Only thing that makes me more nervous is seeing some guy outside in a robe.

 

[GerSan69]

This kind of shoot bothers me because it paints all armed citizens in a poor light.
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I'll make myself unpopular at this point and state I have similar concerns about some law enforcement officer involved shootings.

Poor light is an understatement. Looking at it strictly from the "I'm retired, so I don't have to be PC any more" point of view, those fellers are probably as much brothers as they are father and son, if ya git my drift.

As for the cops, I think you make a good point, but not for the reasons you might think.
If anything, police training these days is going the other way, discouraging firearm use as much as possible. There's a heavy emphasis on de-escalation. It's almost to the point of "avoid shooting anyone, ever." The result seems to be (IMHO) that officers run out of less- or non-lethal options and end up shooting out of fear or exasperation when all the nice-words B$ they were taught at the academy doesn't seem to work. And sure enough, dam near every shoot is made to look controversial, if for no other reason than it wasn't PC.
I don't have solutions, but I will say it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[one eye joe]

This was all over the 'net yesterday - the dead guy's FB page was sure interesting and would be the sort of thing that defense counsel would enjoy discussing with the prosecution:


Definite language, etc., warning:


Aaron Howard - So this afternoon Right as I wake up and... | Facebook

THIS IS THE SORT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHEN 2 GROUPS OF DYSFUNCTIONAL PEOPLE, LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH EACH OTHER.....

I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE FILM, THAT WOULD WARRANT THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE......

MY GUESS IS THAT THE SHOOTERS WILL BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME...

 

[Rustyt1953]

According to NBC, an hour ago, both shooters have been rearrested, their bails raised to $250k each and are charged with 1st degree murder.

 

[FAS1]

I think this is the guy that got shot.

Aaron Kristopher Howard of Abilene, TX, arrests, mugshots, charges and convictions | Arrest Facts

and the girlfriend shooting the video.

Kara Wyn Box of Abilene, TX, arrests, mugshots, charges and convictions | Arrest Facts

Not that it's relevant to what happened other than their character, but they sure were in trouble a lot.

 

[Rudi]

You can't fix stupid. Stupid all the way around. Sad.

 

[EMP3]

I asked a lawyer what is the time limit before you are considered common law married. He said their is not time placed on it. He said the shortest time on record was a man took a woman to a motel and he registered husband and wife. She sued him for divorce the next Monday.

If you two share a bank account. State you are married or she takes your last name. Have joint property. Then you are considered married. In Texas I don't think there even is common law marriage now. You fit the description of being married then you are married with or without a wedding license or certificate.

You would be amazed how many older single women coming up on being forced to retire are looking for a man with a house to get married to or live together. She can't afford the expense of an apartment on only her SS check. He croaks she possibly gets the house. I know that seems cold but it is the cold hard facts.

Off topic: CA does not recognize common law marriage. It does recognize, sanction, and encourage family destruction in deference to divorce lawyers.

CA is the example liberalism in pursuit of moral decay.

 

[Watchdog]

The way things are in this country now, soon as they get their legal troubles behind them, the Millers will get their own reality TV show. I hear they've already been in talks with the people who produced that show about those duck people out there in Louisiana.