Father and son kill neighbor over a mattress

[Rpg]

An argument over trash, threats by unarmed neighbor to kill armed father and son ends badly.

Shooters charged and released on relatively low bond suggesting some culpability on decedent's part?

Mattress shooting video: Abilene Texas men Michael and John Miller charged with murder of neighbor Aaron Howard - The Washington Post

Check the video!

From the info available I don't see justifiable use of deadly force.

 

[eb07]

what trailer park did this occur in?

 

[younggun22]

A good nights rest is very important...

 

[Dutchboy901]

Looks like this guy just had a hatred for his neighbor & wanted to kill em! Just bad blood between them! Truly sad, over something as little as trash, as this was way way over the top!

 

[Erich]

This was all over the 'net yesterday - the dead guy's FB page was sure interesting and would be the sort of thing that defense counsel would enjoy discussing with the prosecution:


Definite language, etc., warning:


Aaron Howard - So this afternoon Right as I wake up and... | Facebook

 

[Ziggy2525]

$25,000 bail seems outrageously low for a murder charge.

Separate off topic question for the legal minds. The article described the victim's wife as his "common law wife." With so many people living together, do common law marriages even exist as a thing any more?

 

[Dutchboy901]

Tried to read the FB post but for me it was difficult, no paragraphs! I just wish people would learn how to use simple paragraphs when writing. It can make a world of difference when attempting to read it!

 

[kraynky]

If it's as hot and miserable there as it is here, I can understand hot tempers. It was probably started a long time ago, and just came to a head, in a most unfortunate manner.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Rick & Bubba (syndicated talk show from Birmingham) were talking about this yesterday, and took a call from a man whose wife was familiar with the victim. Apparently the victim has an anger management problem, and was a regular disruptive visitor to the school his paramour's children attended. Also, in the video, you can see, briefly, that he is holding a baseball bat . . .

 

[joeintexas]

Another senseless killing over trash. Good grief. Not taking sides, I was not there, but the victim does seem to have a mental problem and a short fuse. Seems to me you can only beg someone to shoot you so many times before they conform to your wishes. Both sides in my opinion were wrong. I would not want to be on that jury and have to make that decision.

 

[lawandorder]

Three idjits met, and the result was tragic .

 

[Bekeart]

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is assaulted over lawn trash

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is assaulted over lawn trash pile near property line.

U.S. Sen. Rand Paul says he hadn't spoken for years to a neighbor who alleges in court documents that he lost his temper and attacked Paul after a problem with yard debris in their Kentucky subdivision. The man who pled guilty to attack on Paul, Dr. Rene Boucher, said Paul repeatedly stacked yard debris near their property line.

Neighbor who assaulted Rand Paul blames piles of debris near yard - CBS News

The Kentucky attack happened in an expensive and exclusive neighborhood.

Bekeart

 

[Drm50]

Like all these shooting going on today they are the result of lax
laws. The softer, gentler approach has not worked. This is a people problem, not a gun problem. The laws and prison system
do need changed. There has to be a point that common sense
prevails. These cases are perfect storms. Two mentally unstable
parties clash. One uses Stand your Ground as defense and right
away the law comes under attack. There needs to be more done
to identify these people and keep guns out of their hands.

 

[CH4]

Darwin nailed it!

 

[hoc9sw]

I read the FB page posting. Wow. That guy was lucky to have made it this far in life.

 

[EMP3]

Victimology: victims' roles in crimes.

A shooting (woman who plugged road rager in WA) that does not lead to arrest and prosecution does not mean it was a good shoot. As more info arise, arrest and prosecution could result from what some believe is a good shoot.

 

[EMP3]

The wise can predict where confrontations will lead. Predict likely outcomes thus avoiding use of guns. Leave before it an't an option. Killing, legal or otherwise, can't be reversed. I sure as hell wouldn't want to kill anyone over a dispute that originated over a mattress. I'd buy him two to avoid resorting to deadly force.

I'd never want killing a mentally imbalanced man to be part of my legacy. I'd rather my legacy be deescalating & resolving potentially deadly force encounters.

It's all about thinking and predicting likely outcomes.

 

[EMP3]

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is assaulted over lawn trash pile near property line.

Neighbor who assaulted Rand Paul blames piles of debris near yard - CBS News

The Kentucky attack happened in an expensive and exclusive neighborhood.

Bekeart

The suspect in Senator Paul's attack was a physician, I believe. From media accounts alone (inherently unreliable), the suspect appeared to suffer mental illness.

Senator Paul suffered severe bodily injury. He'd of been justified using deadly force to protect himself. My guess is the last thing Senator Paul wanted to do was kill a mentally ill man.

I personally know of a cop who killed a mentally ill man who was forcing him into a busy street. A car can kill every bit as dead as any other mechanism of death. The deranged man was holding an weapon and threatening the cop. When the cop could retreat no more for fear of being killed by a car, he killed the suspect. Killing a mentally ill man in a perfectly legitimate shooting did bother him.

 

[Dutchboy901]

From the Book Of Proverbs:

"He who spares his words has knowledge. He who is even tempered is a man of understanding".

 

[murphydog]

I read the publicly available media report. My opinion is the mattress was the trigger for the incident, not the item for which the confrontation occurred. No one will turn out to be a "winner" in the end.