LVSteve
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The Wagoneer will use a modified version of the Ram 1500 truck chassis. The costs of that are likely full amortized by now, and that's why I find the pricing a very bad joke.
FCA re-introduces the Grand Wagoneer
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The Wagoneer will use a modified version of the Ram 1500 truck chassis. The costs of that are likely full amortized by now, and that's why I find the pricing a very bad joke.
I'd take the VW Atlas any day over a FCA made Jeep. I'm on my 3rd VeeDub (2018 Tiguan SE 4Motion) and its only been in the shop for oil change, tire rotation, etc. Nope nope nope.
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It ain’t got no soul!
A friend in high school had an old woody wagoneer. That thing was a beast! Used to load it up with six of us and all our boards, skip school and head over to New Smyrna. Took so many of us to pitch in for gas because it absolutely drank it. It held its own pretty well at the local muddin’ hole too!
That thing looks like some millennial engineers idea of something, but it ain’t no wagoneer!
A friend in high school had an old woody wagoneer. That thing was a beast! Used to load it up with six of us and all our boards, skip school and head over to New Smyrna. Took so many of us to pitch in for gas because it absolutely drank it. It held its own pretty well at the local muddin’ hole too!
That thing looks like some millennial engineers idea of something, but it ain’t no wagoneer!
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JJEH
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I agree. The pricing was never mentioned in the introduction video but I just saw it here;
Jeep Grand Wagoneer Returns as a $100K-Plus Full-Size Luxury SUV
So I guess I'm out. Not paying $100K for any SUV just because it has leather and a sunroof. All that infotainment I don't need.
"Grand Wagoneer goes into production next summer at FCA’s Warren Assembly Plant in Michigan." According to C&D.
"In essence, the Grand Wagoneer is an SUV version of the Ram 1500 full-size pickup." According to C&D and FCA.
Phew, glad we got this one out...
But anyway, I do think, like LVSteve said, the industry has gone nuts. For our dealer demo Durango we paid less than $40K, for your brand new RAM we paid less than $50K almost fully loaded (no Navigation). It is my believe that the industry steers towards leasing deals and not towards purchasing anymore.
Think of it, they lease you a brand new vehicle for 3 or 4 years, everything is included in your lease price, you might even get a tire package, depending on whoever offers that contract.
After that you'll get a new one. The lease return either goes into the used market or export. Another money maker for them because now they can collect another time on the same vehicle.
The end user just pays a "usage fee" and all other costs are covered. End user always drives a new vehicle. That's good for dealerships too, maintenance and repair are covered by factory warranty, it's safe money for them, they don't have to chase the customer to pay and/or take them to small claims court.
In the end we do seriously consider buying a SUV again since we are a family of 6. We love the RAM but a SUV makes just more sense. But again... $100K.... hell no, even $80K for a halfway loaded SUV?! Not for me, sorry. But we'll see what the pricing sheet looks like next year... until then we'll be fine with the RAM.
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JJEH
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Today was the official reveal.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqKhtL3OT8w&t=2s[/ame]
Beautiful vehicles no question. I do think Jeep will lead the SUV market now with both the Wagoneer as well as the Grand Wagoneer.
All the info here:
Experience the All New Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer - Premium SUVs
If you don't want to browse for the prices;
2022 Wagoneer 4x2, starting at $67,995
2022 Grand Wagoneer 4x4, starting at $86,995
Perhaps the Grand Cherokee L is a good alternative?! Starts at $36,995.
Anyway, both Wagoneer's are beautiful vehicles.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqKhtL3OT8w&t=2s[/ame]
Beautiful vehicles no question. I do think Jeep will lead the SUV market now with both the Wagoneer as well as the Grand Wagoneer.
All the info here:
Experience the All New Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer - Premium SUVs
If you don't want to browse for the prices;
2022 Wagoneer 4x2, starting at $67,995
2022 Grand Wagoneer 4x4, starting at $86,995
Perhaps the Grand Cherokee L is a good alternative?! Starts at $36,995.
Anyway, both Wagoneer's are beautiful vehicles.
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Protocall_Design
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There was a Jeep broke down on the side of the road the other day. I went right on by. They knew it was a Jeep when they bought it.
Dodge and Chrysler have made some nice looking vehicles in recent times. The mechanicals under the gift wrapping, on average, are junk.
Dodge and Chrysler have made some nice looking vehicles in recent times. The mechanicals under the gift wrapping, on average, are junk.
Bought a new 2004 Grand Cherokee when I needed a new car.
It never broke down or had a major problem and only had two re-calls.
The 2nd one was to reduce the heat in the leather seats, which I should have not had done, since the seats were not hot enough.
Great service and repair work if needed.
Just wonder if it will be the same but they came in 3rd place for my new 2006 car.
It never broke down or had a major problem and only had two re-calls.
The 2nd one was to reduce the heat in the leather seats, which I should have not had done, since the seats were not hot enough.
Great service and repair work if needed.
Just wonder if it will be the same but they came in 3rd place for my new 2006 car.
I had a Wagoneer back in the early '80's. It was a real piece o' ****. Ain't never gonna have another one.
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JJEH
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There's no perfect vehicle. I remember when I worked for Mercedes-Benz how they launched their biggest recall effort ever, over 1 Mil vehicles worldwide were recalled. It was a huge undertaking. Was it embarrassing? A little. But 90% of our customers didn't complain.
From all the cars that I had, our Chrysler products were the most reliable. But, in all fairness, our 2010 Ford Fusion was nice too and never had an issue. But we only had it 3 years...
Are you serious? Have you seen the prices they ask for restored ones, even partial restored ones?! You'd think they are made out of gold...
From all the cars that I had, our Chrysler products were the most reliable. But, in all fairness, our 2010 Ford Fusion was nice too and never had an issue. But we only had it 3 years...
Are you serious? Have you seen the prices they ask for restored ones, even partial restored ones?! You'd think they are made out of gold...
No thanks, a Lexus LX-570 top of the line is under $100,000
I’d say if you can fix up an old one and sell it for lots of money all you’ve done is prove that P. T. Barnum was right.
hoosierone
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In the past I've owned five Peugeots so I know them quite well. They were fantastic cars when it came to comfort and handling. Once I got a 1970 Ford Galaxie but couldn't get it to go in a straight line so back to Peugeot. Got tired of finding a dealer for servicing and jumped into a new 1977 Olds. Loved it until it started to rust out.
Also had a Renault R-10. It would churn through snow like a tank. My last French car was a 1978 LeCar. Nice but underpowered and was starting to rust out.
Also had a Renault R-10. It would churn through snow like a tank. My last French car was a 1978 LeCar. Nice but underpowered and was starting to rust out.
LVSteve
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LVSteve
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Several mentions of air suspension on the new Jeeps. I'm leery of that technology here in the desert. Seems no matter what material they try, the heat and low humidity kills such components in fairly short order.
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I've owned one Jeep, 80's CJ, with rag top, 5 speed and 4 cylinder engine
Bought it to pull wheels down behind my old bus conversion, girls learned
to drive with it and then it set for a year. Sold it for 2/3 what I gave.
Owned one 70's model Dodge van that was auctioned off after being'
ceased from a drug runner. It had the 318cu.in. engine and was a pretty
good old van considering the $300.00 I paid for it, the transmission was
out, so had to put a rebuild on the tranny.
Owned a Allis Chalmers HD11 dozer when Fiat bought them out and changed the name to FiatAllis, dozers went down hill afterwards. I liked
the old HD11, it would do a lot of work and economical to run.
The best things about the Dodge/Ram trucks is the Cummins diesel engines, they are still running when the rest of the truck has fallen apart.
Just my opinion, like everything else, everyone has one.
Bought it to pull wheels down behind my old bus conversion, girls learned
to drive with it and then it set for a year. Sold it for 2/3 what I gave.
Owned one 70's model Dodge van that was auctioned off after being'
ceased from a drug runner. It had the 318cu.in. engine and was a pretty
good old van considering the $300.00 I paid for it, the transmission was
out, so had to put a rebuild on the tranny.
Owned a Allis Chalmers HD11 dozer when Fiat bought them out and changed the name to FiatAllis, dozers went down hill afterwards. I liked
the old HD11, it would do a lot of work and economical to run.
The best things about the Dodge/Ram trucks is the Cummins diesel engines, they are still running when the rest of the truck has fallen apart.
Just my opinion, like everything else, everyone has one.
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JJEH
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Is that the benchmark or something? Not sure how to take that comment...
I hear you. Back when Ford owned Aston Martin I was very disappointed when I saw they both used the same kind of key. And don't look too close at them buttons and switches...
With the resale value I guess we'll just have to wait. I figured a starting price of $60K with the 4x4 and some goodies would be worth owning (our 2018 RAM had a $55K sticker price). But it's $71K for a naked 4x4 Wagoneer and I'm not willing to pay that.
In 2023 we should know more about how they hold their value but I think the premium models will hold it pretty good.
