First LE Agency To Adopt S&W Pistols?

The Illinois State Police adopted the Model 39 in 1967 after a two year evaluation process. The agency's first order of 500 guns were Model 39s, but the followup order of 600 guns was Model 39-2s.
My inventory number on my 39-nothing is 997 and was one of the first issued in 1968. The inventory numbers were stamped consecutively. When the ISP went to the 39 there were approximately 1700 sworn. The 39 began to be issued in 1967 with everyone getting theirs by 1968. The ISP worked with S&W to make a few modifications to the original 39 design which resulted in the discontinuing of the 39-nothing and production of the 39-2. All subsequent issued guns were the 39-2 when the 39-nothing no longer was being made.

In 1972, the Illinois State Police placed a third order for 500 of the Smith & Wesson Model 59.
This is not accurate. The ISP never issued S&W 59. I have seen this quoted on the internet several times but it is not true.
The 39 was issued until 1981 when it was replaced with the 439. The 439 was issued until about mid-80s when the 439 was replaced with the 459. I don't recall the exact year we went with the 459 but it was after Jan 1988. On 01/15/88 some of our agents were involved in a shootout and they were armed with the issued 439. That shootout was the reason for the move to the 459. The 459 was issued for a short time until it was replaced by the 5904.
During the time the 439 was issued until replaced by the 459 those of us on SWAT could carry our personally owned 459s on duty. Non-SWAT Troopers were still required to carry the issued 439.
Below is my issued 39-nothing which shows the modified extractor and the 459 I carried on duty.



 
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Thank you ISPCAPTAIN and 625smith for your contributions to this subject. I have long enjoyed the history of the 39 and its evolution.
Also to all who reflected on its use in the early years of its Law Enforcement use, thanks.
Jim
 
I agree. A big thanks to ISPCPT, 625SMITH, and the others. Great info. I guess my being a fan-boy of the all metal Smith 9mms goes back farther than shooting a Model 59 at the academy in 1975.

I grew up in Chicago in the 50s and 60s. I remember as a kid in the 60s, my dad (a WW2 combat vet who fought on Iwo Jima) worked for Illinois state as the Chief Engineer for Children and Family Services. He regularly traveled the state and had a number of friends/contacts in the State Police. He commented on the switch to 9mm S&W autos, and found it fascinating. About that same time, my cousin, a US Postal Inspector, bought a steel frame Model 39 (that he still has) after shooting an ISP Trooper's weapon at a pistol match or school he was at. They talked about it several times, and one time I got to shoot my cousin's 39 when I was about 10 or 12.

That makes it at least a 50+ years fondness.
 
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ISP 9 mm Ammunition

Not a trooper but a 9 mm packing Illinois cop from the era....

The first trooper I saw with a Model 39 was a famous range master who was essentially beta testing the pistol. He was carrying Super Vel 90 grain JHP. THAT didn't last.
(He was also toting a plain barrel S&W M-76 SMG.)

Early articles in police and gun magazines stated that Remington 124 and Winchester 115 grain JRN ammunition was used in testing. An experimental 95 grain cartridge – perhaps a .380 bullet – was tested.

The ammunition adopted for issue was the special order Winchester-Western Q4032 100 grain JRN loaded in nickel W-W cases loaded to a nominal 1400 fps velocity / 436 ft. lb. energy.

The bullet was more blunt than typical 9 mm hardball but not nearly so much as the failed S&W / Amron "Hemi" bullet. Other manufacturers subsequently loaded similar ammunition.

In about 1975, ISP adopted the soft point Winchester-Western 100 grain Power Point W9MMPP, also nominally at 1400 fps. I never saw anything but brass W-W cases in standard commercial WW boxes. Many other Illinois agencies used this ammunition.

In about 1978, ISP adopted a Federal 95 grain flat nose, truncated cone soft point, again in nickel cases. The bullet looked very much like the Super Vel 112 gr soft point.

Winchester made a 110 gr. jacketed SWC bullet that ISP loaded on their own machines for practice ammo.

As reported by ISPCapt and others, in the next few years the ISP used several different 9 mm loadings, including W-W 115 Silvertip, a special WW 95 gr soft point and Federal 9BP and 9BPIL 115 gr JHP, before landing on the Q +P+ W-W 115 gr JHP.

I have a couple of boxes of the 9PB IL. Memories vary as to whether this was +p or +p+ ammunition. The case heads are simply FC 9MM. The boxes carry a warning that the ammunition was loaded to higher pressure than other cartridges without stating how much higher.

The special Illinois Federal .38 E IL 125 gr. JHP also carries a high pressure warning; case heads are marked FC LE.
 

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My ILSP M39, No. 857

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My apologies for the callous flash use, but the use of which also best caught the edges of the Illinois State Police inventory number on this particular Model 39.

Even though owning a bunch of M39s - running from when copies had no "model" to that eventual line's "last" 39, the M739* - this ILSP is among my most treasured.

Herewith, too, is the "flip side" (along with its full-length extractor):

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Later.

*Oh! Heh-heh. Just checking the number of folks who caught this one.
 
Regarding the above post(s) that discussed NDs and ADs, the most common yell heard on the line at semi annual qualifications was "DECOCK!"

The braindead among us were trying to re holster cocked pistols. Eventually some opportunist used that excuse to bring the G***ks into use in our department.

I never heard of a true AD via dropping or jarring the pistols we had.
 
I never heard of a true AD via dropping or jarring the pistols we had.

I did - a trooper story and one on my department. It was common back then for cops to place the handgun on the top shelf of a closet. When knocked off & landing muzzle down .... My guy launched his from his holster with a bang upon landing. Must have been others as an ISP instructor mentioned the problem in a class.

And then there was the guy with me on a felony stop who claimed his 39-2 fired when he bumped the hammer on the steering wheel, but I'm reasonably certain he pulled the trigger in the holster. Fortunately, I could see that THEY weren't shooting at me.

P.S. Despite the above, ISP - and my department - allowed personal choice for on or off safe carry.
 
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I was an IL state police trooper (in uniform) from 1968-93. I was issued a Model 39 (no dash) in the academy. I bought it back around 1980 when it was replaced by the 439 (Model 39 inventory #is 415). In the very late '80s or very early '90s, I was issued a 5904 to replace the 439. Between 1968-early 1993, we had 8 different 9 mm rounds, as detailed above by ISPcapt.
 
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At San Leandro PD, (city bordering Oakland, ca) when we decided to transition from wheel guns to pistols. Our first try was the Model 39. Mid 70's. S&W sent us a pretty good quantity of guns for evaluation. Everyone went through range training on them so they got a lot of action. We had an unacceptable rate of ejection problems. Some frame cracks (memory tells me slide stops) so the confidence level was low. We then evaluated the 59's and adopted them as our issue weapon. I don't recall any feed, fire, or ejection problems with the 59's. I still have a 659 that has had thousands of rounds through it and have not had a single issue. They are heavy and have a wide grip but I gladly strapped it on every shift. We jumped a lot of fences together and rolled around in the street often and had quite a few a********* try to take it from me but we're still together.
 
Illinois State Police report on 1967 adoption of 9 mm pistol

Versions of this ISP report were published in several police and gun magazines of the time.

The attachment is the same report in a PDF to save time for any who would like to save it.


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Report of Justification for Adopting The 9mm Semi-automatic Pistol as Service Weapon By The Illinois State Police

Prepared By Ordnance Unit Illinois State Police
[original 1967/68] Revised February 10, 1972


In 1966, several problems were identified in connection with the use of the standard revolver by the Illinois State Police. At that time, all personnel were required to furnish, from personal funds, a service revolver which had to meet the following criteria:

1. fire either .38 special or .357 magnum ammunition, and

2. be equipped with 4, 5 or 6 inch [102-, 127-, or 152-millimeter] barrel, and

3. be one of several different models of Colt or Smith and Wesson manufacture.


Since it was the policy of this agency (and continues to be) that all personnel carry star [badge], I.D. Card and weapon at all times while off-duty, it was found that many of our officers were also purchasing smaller weapons to carry while in off-duty or plain clothes situations. The only requirement of the department was that the off-duty weapon be of .32 caliber as a minimum. A survey of all personnel was conducted within the department and it was learned that because of the need for concealment and comfort, the vast majority of our men had purchased and were carrying (off-duty) a rather surprising assortment of guns.

It was determined that there was a wide range of types and styles of guns and ammunition. More importantly, it was learned that there were serious discrepancies in the condition of many of these off-duty weapons.
Since legal decisions were making it increasingly obvious that the courts were going to hold the department responsible for the training of its police personnel in the use of firearms and, more importantly, for their competency in using those weapons, the Illinois State Police found itself in a situation of concern. In an effort to overcome this problem, all personnel were required to fire their off-duty weapon as well as their service gun for qualification. Our Marksmanship Qualification Course (50 rounds) was fired 10 times on an annual basis, 7 times as Practice Shoots and 3 times as Qualification Shoots. The results of firing the off-duty weapon for qualification were somewhat startling.

Weapon Ammunition Score (Possible 500)

Service Revolver .38 Special Target Wadcutter 393 (Statewide Field Average)

Off-Duty Weapon .38 Special Target Wadcutter 217 (Statewide Field Average)

For purposes of comparison

S&W Model 39 Special Police Service Load 387 (Statewide Field Average)


Our weakness was very obvious—the "off-duty" weapon! We were faced with two alternatives:

1. Greatly increase the level of training and practice with the off-duty firearm and continue the program of training and practice with the "on-duty" weapon, or

2. issue a state-owned firearm which by design and weight and overall competency would serve as both "on- duty" and "off-duty" weapon and maintain a training and practice program for that one gun.


Because at that time the State did not own any of the guns used by State Police personnel, it was felt that it would be very difficult to raise the level of competency and condition of the "off-duty" weapons carried and owned by members of the Illinois State Police. Additionally, it was recognized that a training program sufficient to raise the level of "shooter" competency with the "off-duty" weapon would be very expensive from the standpoint of both ammunition and man-hours. All recruits had received 50 hours of training with their service revolvers during their assignment at recruit school. There had been no training with the "off-duty" weapon. Also, because of the very wide range of types and condition of "off-duty" guns, it was recognized that the design and implementation of a training program directed toward "off-duty" guns would be very questionable as to its effectiveness. It was decided to survey available police weapons then in use with a view toward trying to find one firearm that would satisfy both the "on-duty" and "off-duty" police needs of our department. Thus, the time and cost of training in the "off-duty" weapon would be removed and the department would control the condition and competency of firearms carried by its members in "off-duty" situations.

Many tests were conducted, but they will not be repeated here because we were also experimenting with many different loads. Our tests did show that the 9 mm is no panacea with respect to being the only police service weapon. The 9 mm is no different than any other caliber from .32 through .45. The final determination is dependent upon the component parts of the weapon being used and the capability of the person handling the weapon. A good cartridge can be made in all these calibers if the manufacturer is desirous of doing so. At the present time, one of the leading manufacturers [Winchester-Western] in this country is taking an interest in this project and has been working very closely with our department in ballistically testing various combinations of load and bullet weight.

One important reason for eliminating the small revolver was that they lacked either sufficient stopping power or practical accuracy. In eliminating these weapons, it was not necessarily because they were not capable of being fired accurately. It was because the average trooper could not master these weapons in the training time that was available. We further decided that any weapon not capable of delivering a bullet with foot-pounds of energy approximately 400 F.P.E. [Foot-Pound Energy] to the "right address" would not be a satisfactory service weapon.

This foot-pound energy, we felt was a "must," so an attempt was made to utilize a medium size 4-inch [102- millimeter] revolver by lightening the projectile and lessening the recoil. To do this, it was necessary to increase the velocity for compensation. This proved successful to a point; however, current revolver sights would not handle the variation in hits caused by the small variation in bullet weights. Knowing that semi-automatics were less prone to these variations, we next turned to the following:
The .45 caliber [M1911 Colt] fell from our list quickly as it has always been a weapon hard to master with a limited amount of training and, in reducing the weights of the bullets, functional difficulties developed. Also, the noise level was high and speed with safety was a problem so we decided to experiment with modern semi-automatics.

The .38 Caliber Super [Colt] Commander was one of the last weapons we eliminated and only because the Smith & Wesson Model 39 has additional features which make it more like our faithful friend, the revolver—safe and fast for the first shot.

The Model 39 had many features we felt were advantageous to a policeman:

A. Weight—less than two-thirds the weight of our lightest permissible service revolver (261/2 ounces [751 grams]).

B. Width—three-fourths the width of our .38 caliber special revolver (1'/8" to 1%" [28.6-38 millimeters]) with no sudden or uneven bulges like the cylinder on the revolver.

C. Length—two inches [50.8 millimeters] shorter than the four-inch [102-millimeter] revolver (7/16 inches [192 millimeters] long), yet, the barrel lengths are the same. Also, the cartridge is completely encased by the barrel with no side splash of lead that all revolvers display to some degree.

D. Height—(5'/2" [139.7 millimeters]) which is 1/4" [6.35 millimeters] lower than the revolver. It has a grip for larger hands due to the trigger being almost one inch [25.4 millimeters] higher on the semi-automatic, permitting the wrist to be straight and not cramping the fingers.

E. The balance or grip is such that there are no two or more ways to grip this pistol as on the revolver. In fact, the hand falls into one position on the grips, making this pistol an excellent pointer with a minimum of training or effort.

F. Safety— Even with the magazine inserted and a round in the chamber, this pistol is as safe as a loaded revolver because the hammer is down and either has to be cocked or fired double action.

1. Magazine Safety— By removing the magazine, the pistol becomes inoperative even with a live round in the chamber. If this magazine is then placed in the uniform trouser pocket with the car keys, etc., one will not forget to reload the pistol on dressing for duty. When storing the gun with magazine out, the manual safety should be in the "on" position since we found that with the inertia-type firing pin, if the gun is dropped from a height of four (4) feet [1.2 meters] or more and lands directly on the end of the barrel, the firing pin will go forward with enough momentum to fire the round in the chamber. If the manual safety is "on" this locks the firing pin in place and the round cannot fire through mishandling.

2. Thumb Safety—This safety is applied first when loading a round in the chamber. This always leaves the hammer in a safe position (down), with the manual movement of the slide.

G. Also, once in action, a trooper has more ammunition at his command (50%) with the option of reloading much faster, even in the dark without removing his eyes from the target. Additionally the more accurate single action type of shooting after the first shot results in quicker hits.
Ammunition

We found the caliber of this weapon (9 mm) to offer some advantages when compared to any .38 caliber revolver of comparable size for several reasons:

1. The same diameter as the .38 caliber and .357 magnum.

2. It can be loaded to pressures of 33,000 psi. Revolvers of comparable weight can stand but half this amount.

3. Regardless of the bullet weight or propellant, the point of impact does not vary as radically as it does with a revolver.

4. Lighter bullet weight (100 gr.) permits more velocity (1380 feet per second [420.6 meters per second]) within working ranges (100 yards [91.4 meters] or less), then loses speed and range rapidly, and further reduces extreme ranges (¾ mile [1.2 kilometer]) and dangerous richochets. Thus, it is safer than the 158 or 200 grain .38 Special service loads (900 F.P.S.) with one and one-half mile [2.4-kilometer] range.

5. Due to the light jacketed bullet at high speed, penetration through auto bodies, seats, and rubber tires is comparable to the .357 Magnum. Yet, the 9 mm with 385 foot pounds of energy will only penetrate eight inches [203.2 millimeters] of flesh.

6. Accuracy—4" [102-millimeter] group at 25 yards [22.9 meters] and adequate at 100 yards [91.4 meters].

7. By substitution of a .30 caliber barrel and nothing else, this becomes a .30 caliber Luger with much more velocity. This could become an advantage in future years when smaller calibers at even greater speeds might come into use. The continuous trend seems to be toward lighter and faster bullets.

Malfunctions

We have had some malfunctions due mainly to three (3) causes:

1. Quality control in production of the gun at the factory.

2. Quality control in production of ammunition used.

3. Improper maintenance.

Cause #1: Smith and Wesson has worked very closely with our Department, and the production quality control problems that were in the gun itself have been corrected.

Cause #2: Probably more malfunctions have been caused by ammunition than any other single cause. Without some refinements on the loading ramp, this gun has trouble feeding exposed lead nose bullets, therefore, we do not recommend that this type of bullet be used for anything except practice. It is hard to control the quality of reloaded ammunition to the requirements of this gun. This again has been one of our problems. Because of this, we insist that only factory manufactured rounds be used for service work. We re-load our own practice ammunition but it is used in range practice only.

Cause #3: (Dry Slide) After the gun has been fired a considerable number of times and burned powder residues begins to accumulate in the gun action, unless the slide has been oiled, the action starts to drag. Here again reloads may fail to eject. We have not found this to be a problem with factory ammunition.

We could go on and on as to the advantages which we believe are numerous over other weapons we tested for our needs. We realize that the noise level of the Model 39 is high, so we have issued ear guards with each pistol to be used on the practice range. We further feel that if absolute dependability were the only consideration, we might favor one of the new service revolvers with a perpetual inspection to insure against malfunction. However, from a practical standpoint, we found that the 9 mm Model 39 will maintain reliability for a longer period and it can be restored more quickly and easily without technical knowledge.

We maintain our own repair section for all state- owned weapons. Any Department furnishing weapons to their personnel should consider having a well-trained gun-smith regardless of whether they have revolvers or semi- automatics. For our Department (1700 men), the added advantage of interchangeable parts and barrels is also desirable.

In conclusion, it should not be implied that the Illinois State Police feel we have found the one and only firearm solution to the needs of police service today. Each police department must examine their own needs and base their decision upon the needs of that agency. There are many very competent guns and ammunitions available and all should be very carefully considered by any Department contemplating a change of firearms. After carefully weighing the practical factors and needs of our Department, we believe the 9 mm Smith & Wesson Model 39 best meets the needs of the Illinois State Police.
 

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I have had incredibly good luck with Smith 9mms. I got my first 59 in the Mid-1970s, and never had a problem I carried it off duty until 79, when I started carrying it on duty. Speer Lawman 100 grainer JHPs and 125 JSP were what we used. In 1981, I went to a new PD, and was issued a department 59, so I sold mine. In 1985, we switched to 439s because the female officers said the 59 grip was too big (don't get me started). About that time, I bought my first 469 for off duty, and carried it for years.

In about 1994, I sold the 469 and got a Glock 19 when they were the buzz. Since I retired in 2000 though, the Glock 19 has only seen occasional EDC. That role has been filled once again by various 469/669/6906, and more recently Smith M&P 9mm Shield about 70% of the time. In the years since I retired, I have had two 59s, three different 469s, and two different 669s, finally ending up with my 6906.

In the last 45 years, I have had a Smith 9mm as a carry or duty gun at least 35+ years of that time. I could count my total malfunctions in that that were not bad ammo related on one hand. I like them a lot, though usually did not have two at a time! LOL.
 
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Thanks for posting this report regarding the ISP's adoption of the model 39. I remember a few members of TRT carrying 459's and a Captain in my District had a 559 he carried. When I was hired in 1988 my cadet class was issued new model 439's. We turned in our 439's for 5904/6904 in 1990. While I was a local Officer in So Illinois I was always interested in the model 39 since I carried my personal 39 as a reserve Officer and for a PD which did not issue handguns.

I carried a ISP 6904 for a short period of time but when I bought a 3913 NL I was able to turn in the 6904 for a 5904 which I carried until we transitioned to Glocks in 2000.

I have one box from the W-W 100 grain FMJ round nose bullet and a couple of the 100 grain FMJ nickel cartridges. I remember when the Troopers were issued the 115 grain Silvertip and when it was recalled they used either the 95 grain Federal JSP or notched W-W 95 grain JSP. It wasn't long before the Troopers were issued the Federal 115 grain 9BP ammo.

The first lots of W-W 115 grain JHP +P+ produced significant muzzle flash. We shot quite a few of those rounds in the Academy but by the time I was hired the issued 115 grain +P+ was using a low flash powder. I dispatched many injured animals with that load. I felt well armed with my S&W semi autos and the 115 grain JHP ammo.

A Friend bought my issued 439 because I couldn't afford it. I always told him if he ever decided to sell it I wanted first dibs. When the ISP transitioned to Glocks the Troopers could buy their 5904/6904 but the price was almost the price of a new pistol. I didn't buy my 5904 but have since purchased used 439 and 5904. I still enjoy shooting them and bringing back memories.
 
My cousin just retired from the ISP after 30 years on the job. He wasn't a gun guy at all and remember him showing me his service pistol not long after the got hired in . I'm pretty sure it was a 5904 as others have noted here. Also he was issued a Remington 870 as well. The thing I remember the most was his back up gun. Him and all in is class went out and bought double stack Kel-tec 9mm compacts. Their reasoning was they could use the 5904 mags in the Kel-Tec's if a reload was needed. About halfway through his career he got off the road and into investigations . I don't know at what point they switched to Glocks but towards the end of his career, he also had a issued AR-15 in 9mm which I really thought was weird .
 
IIRC, Urbana (IL) tried the 59s and had a terrible tie with them. Much of the improvement of the S&W autopistols from the 39 to the 3 digit models to the 4 digit models was a result of very aggressive R&D and testing by ISP at their range.
 
I really think the 4 digit were the cream of the crop, especially the late third gen. I like the Glock platform, but I have never had the intense affinity for it that I have for my Smith 9mms through the years.

The same rep that brought us the tool room 469, later brought us a pre-import Glock 17 dealer sample. As a rangemaster I really liked it as an easy gun to transition wheel gunners to, and a good reliable LEO weapon. But it still wasn't a Smith....
 
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