Glockaholics go home!

[bmcgilvray]

That's kinda tough, lowering the good ol' Model 10 to comparisons with a Glock.

 

[NKJ nut]

I want to be a handgunner when I get big

 

[major kong]

The Glock-haters seem to be just as juvenile as the Glockaholics. You have your choice, you have your reasons. Good deal. Why not state them and leave it at that? Why does it lead automatically to insulting generalizations about the owner, whom you probably do not even know?

I, and in fact all manly men, write with Shaeffer pens. Those blockheads who use Parker pens are just new writers who saw them on television. You can't even modify a Parker pen and the ink is in a plastic tube. My Shaeffer has a metal tube so if the ballpoint KB's it doesn't blow ink in your face. If you are stupid enough to EDC a Parker you better make sure you always wear dark blue shirts.

Outstanding!!!

 

[David LaPell]

Since I do alot of writing, can one point me in the direction of a Schaeffer pen?

 

[CajunBass]

When someone comes here and asks for advice, that advice might include "Get a Glock." It's advice. You don't have to do it unless you want to. It's worth exactly what you paid for it.

Oh, I see the same thing on "Glock Talk" except someone will recomend a Smith & Wesson from time to time.

Personally I don't care much for Glocks, but they are good guns. Just sort of boring since it seems everybody and his cousin has one. I've always wanted something just a bit different than the crowd. But my wife likes her G-19.

 

[carbuff]

seagill, to respond to your specific question, I prefer the model 60 for the following reasons:

It loads low recoil as well as high powered rounds

is well-balanced making sight alignment after recall very fast

is highly accurate

is very concealable

is mechanically simple

is easy to maintain

All in all, I consider the model 60 to be a very fine revolver.

Now, to your comment regarding the Glock, every good tool box should contain various tools that can do specific things better than other tools can do. The Glock 21, 30 and 36 have had places in my tool box (handgun collection) because they did certain things better then my other handguns or because I wanted to experience owning and shooting an alternate type of handgun. By the same token, I can say the same things about some of my S&W revolvers and my extremely expensive custom made 1911's, Browns, Baers and Wilsons.

For those who snipe about the Glock as just an ugly excuse for a gun, has a difficult grip to grasp, is quite bulky and displays absolutely no elegance, I will tell you that visual beauty is meaningless in a fire fight. Dependability and performance are the important factors.

First and foremost, the Glock is dependable. It is the kind of handgun that can be hip carried in any kind of terrestrial environment or weather condition. Whereas moisture, dirt and grime might impede another handgun from performing, the Glock has a record of surmounting these factors.

The Glock comes in many sizes and calibers. When the trigger is mastered, these guns are extremely fast and accurate. Compared to the technical precision of a 1911, the Glock is an extremely simply weapon. Thus, it can be field stripped in moments, cleaned and reassembled just as quickly; all without a tool. Best of all, the Glock can propel bullets even when dirty or caked with residue and grime.

Whereas I have given up my carry1911's (because arthritic hands) in favor of a beautiful new S&W 60-15, I still retain a Glock 21 for my journeys in the Sonora Desert of Arizona. Loaded with fourteen 230gr FMJ, it is a protection against any desert varmint that chooses to meet a quick end. Although as I previously mentioned that my S&W model 60 does load powerful rounds, its five round capacity pales in comparison to the fourteen 230 rounds loaded in my Glock 21.

Lastly, many have stated that the accuracy of the Glock is suspect. My experience is the opposite. My accuracy with the Glock is every bit as good as it is with my most expensive 1911 or my favorite revolver, the 686. I have found that the key to accuracy is good, repetitive and focused practice. This criterion has worked with me for every firearm I have ever owned.

Good luck with your choice.

 

[oldman45]

When someone comes here and asks for advice, that advice might include "Get a Glock." It's advice. You don't have to do it unless you want to. It's worth exactly what you paid for it.

Oh, I see the same thing on "Glock Talk" except someone will recomend a Smith & Wesson from time to time.

Personally I don't care much for Glocks, but they are good guns. Just sort of boring since it seems everybody and his cousin has one. I've always wanted something just a bit different than the crowd. But my wife likes her G-19.

As many know, I own several types of guns, including Glocks. Yet I understand the feelings of some here by thinking this is a S&W site. They come here wanting to know about S&W and info about certain S&W guns as well as developing friendships with those here.

What ruptures my gall bladder is some here will suggest that they look at Springfields. Others will say get a Glock. For each pro S&W post, there will be two suggesting Springfield or Glock. Even some of the really popular 1911 shooters here does not have a S&W in their collections yet tells people to consider a Springfield. Ok, each has their own opinion and I have mine as well. I own Springfields and I own Glocks. Neither is the quality, fit or finish that S&W has.

S&W is an American company. Glock is not. Springfield is not. S&W, although making mistakes in the past, employs American workers. I would like to see more companies do that and will not support foreign companies. So why do people want foreign guns that is not as good as S&W but come here to suggest buying other brands.

I made a post some time back and said if you are going to suggest another brand of gun, at least make sure you are comparing them to guns you know about. Do not tell me I should consider a Brand X 1911 over a S&W when you do not own or have not shot a S&W. My late father owned a H&R that he was partial to but would tell anyone he went shooting with that it was not the quality of a S&W but it was cheaper. That is an honest statement.

It is my feeling that people buy Glocks and Springers largely due to price but they never take time to try a S&W. Then the come to a S&W site to push their Brand X to others considering a new purchase.

 

[oldman45]

Compared to the technical precision of a 1911, the Glock is an extremely simply weapon. Thus, it can be field stripped in moments, cleaned and reassembled just as quickly; all without a tool. Best of all, the Glock can propel bullets even when dirty or caked with residue and grime.

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Ok, what tools are needed to field strip a 1911? One can be totally stripped without having to use any tool other than the 1911 gun it's self? Did you not know that a 1911 is it's own tool kit and every tool needed is included within the gun?

I can take one totally apart and never require the use of an outside tool.

As to dirty, residue caked, grimey guns working, you must not have served in either war. Ask any of the few remaining WWII vets about how dirty a 1911 got and still worked. Talk with those at Normandy about salt water, sand and pure mud inside 1911 and they still worked. Ask me about dropping one in a rice field and having to feel for it on the bottom and it was a week before it was cleaned but it still worked.

Good guns do that no matter what brand.

 

[handejector]

You guys crack me up.

Everyone stay nice so I don't have to lock this- it is way too entertaining to lose. If needed, take a 5 minute break before hitting "Submit Reply".

b'phile, thanks, for the tip on Shaeffer pens. Kabooms with a ballpoint have worried me for years. Saw a guy at WalMart just the other day still wearing the blue spots........

 

[carbuff]

oldman45, thank you for your enlightening remarks. It is gratifying to learn that you can take apart a 1911 and never require the use of an outside tool. However, there are people including myself who are or were unable to free the barrel bushing from a very tight fitting Les Baer without a bushing wrench.

I take no offense in your ignorance regarding my military service. After all, you were probably not yet born when I served. And, oh yes, when the Colt 1911 I carried on my hip failed to function for me at times near the MLR, the S&W .38 did.

The point of my post was not to denigrate any type, caliber or brand of handgun but simply to state that there are courses for horses and different guns for different purposes.

The S&W is my favorite revolver. This does not preclude my wanting to learn about revolvers or pistols produced by other manufacturers.

The 1911 is the pistol I think is the most mechanically precise and beautiful handgun.

The Glock has its place.

A reason I frequent this forum is because I am continually educated by experienced firearm handlers kindly providing information about their guns.

I wish you well oldman45 and again thank you for your enlightening remarks.

 

[Babalooie]

I LOVE Glocks, you can buy used ones cheap and trade them even-steven for S&W's and other guns worth twice as much. It's much harder to double you money investment with other guns.

 

[JcMack]

The only thing I don't like about Glocks is the polygonal rifling. I realize HK uses it too, but it would seem that it's inherently dangerous. I know the advantages but still. I too can disassemble a non accurized Colt 1911 without tools, except series 80 which was never in service with the service. So lets say Gov. or Commercial.

 

[Babalooie]

Oh, BTW. I spoke with a retired LEO friend who is a devout S&W fan. He said he carried just about anything he could get his hands on, in an attempt to come up with the ultimate carry gun. According to him, the Glock 19 and 23 are pretty decent guns.

Oh, Yeah. He's still my friend.

 

[oldman45]

oldman45, thank you for your enlightening remarks. It is gratifying to learn that you can take apart a 1911 and never require the use of an outside tool. However, there are people including myself who are or were unable to free the barrel bushing from a very tight fitting Les Baer without a bushing wrench.

I take no offense in your ignorance regarding my military service. After all, you were probably not yet born when I served. And, oh yes, when the Colt 1911 I carried on my hip failed to function for me at times near the MLR, the S&W .38 did.

The point of my post was not to denigrate any type, caliber or brand of handgun but simply to state that there are courses for horses and different guns for different purposes.

The S&W is my favorite revolver. This does not preclude my wanting to learn about revolvers or pistols produced by other manufacturers.

The 1911 is the pistol I think is the most mechanically precise and beautiful handgun.

The Glock has its place.

A reason I frequent this forum is because I am continually educated by experienced firearm handlers kindly providing information about their guns.

I wish you well oldman45 and again thank you for your enlightening remarks.

You might enjoy reading the following site. It will tell you how to remove the bushing without using a wrench as well as other tips for the 1911.

The 1911 Pistol is its own toolbox

As to your service and age, I doubt you are as old as I am or if you are, you are not much older. I am well past social security age but have yet to sign up for it due to penalties for earned income. In a couple more years, I may do so.

We all have different opinions. They are only personal opinions. Each here will have a different opinion based on experience, education and training. It does not mean one opinion is any better or worse than another but only that the opinions differ. Often we can differ in opinon while agreeing on most things.

 

[JohnnieB]

I, and in fact all manly men, write with Shaeffer pens. Those blockheads who use Parker pens are just new writers who saw them on television. You can't even modify a Parker pen and the ink is in a plastic tube. My Shaeffer has a metal tube so if the ballpoint KB's it doesn't blow ink in your face. If you are stupid enough to EDC a Parker you better make sure you always wear dark blue shirts.

IIRC, Former Governor Arnold popularized a different adjective that applies to those that use ballpoint pens.
Real men carry writing instruments with nibs.

Before retiring, my daily carry (White shirt w/pocket protector) was a Pre-50 Scheaffer Tuckaway and I always had a Golden Brown Striated Statesman (Circa 1946) stashed in the top drawer of my desk.

However, I have worked at agencies that issued ballpoints, despite their well know propensity for the BP to KB and I had to carry my Tuckaway as a BUP (Back Up Pen)

I love this place....

John

 

[RufusG]

I have seen 1911's with the mag blown completely out of the gun, and the grips SPLINTERED and blown completely off the gun, causing injury and wood encroachment on the shooting hand.
In other words, I'm afraid you don't have the steel barrier you think you do. Simply take the grips off a 1911, and you'll notice some real big holes in the gripframe.

Interestingly, I have held 1911s (well, one) with the mag blown out of the gun and the wood grips splintered. The grips were not blown off the gun because my klingon death grip did not release the gun.

My hand was a little sore, for a couple days, and works fine fifteen years later.

Here is a pic of this blown up gun today, with a new top end, mag, and grips:

It may not be pretty, but it works. There may be a big hole in that piece of steel, but it's a lot harder to put a stake through it's heart than a piece of plastic. And I am the farthest thing from a 1911 homer that there is.

 

[ssgmac]

Recently took my Dad's Glock 30, to CLEAN it, gave him my S&W 340 PD loaded with .38+p's. Found a set of crimson trace grips here on this forum I will be installing on it for him. He carries it in his truck as did he the glock. Due to him carrying the Glock around in his truck without a round in the chamber, I wont give it back to him, the revolver will serve his purpose better if needed. He never could get use to no hammer, he broke his teeth on revolvers and 1911's. I personally prefer the Sig, more options. Did see a Glock toting Sheriff's Deputy (Female) shoot another Deputy in a crossfire melee, massaging that trigger!!!

 

[ladder13]

You guys crack me up.

How about a reality show? We could occupy the 2-3 am slot.

 

[s&wchad]

I, and in fact all manly men, write with Shaeffer pens.

b'phile, thanks, for the tip on Shaeffer pens...

You won't regret it Lee. I didn't trust 'em, but I haven't touched a quill since I tried one.

 

[Babalooie]

Cross Pens are the way to go. Steel refill and none of that runny ink to ruin your day. You don't even need to worry about the spring breaking, 'cause there ain't one. And, you can get space pen refills for them, if you ever decide to become an astronaut.