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I paid about $25 a box for some win 555s a few weeks ago and thought it was reasonable as I only had 1000 rounds left.A few days later I found 3 1/2 bricks I had forgotten about.Might last til spring or the rest of my life! Who knows?
 
I bumped into a guy the other day who told me that immediately after the Sandy Hook shootings, he bought 200,000 rounds of .22LR. He didn't say whether he bought it for personal use or to sell at a profit, but I can't imagine he's keeping it all for himself...

Capitalism ain't always pretty...

And this is why I can't call anyone a gouger unless I know for a fact they are - meaning with the panic buying the last several months demand has spiked and as such so have prices. People are buying and keeping ammo just in case our over reaching government who has forgotten what the constitution is raises taxes on ammo so high no one can afford it. Or some other scheme to get around our rights. So a man buys 10,000 rounds just in case with intentions of keeping it but he sees prices going up and up and up. At some price point maybe he makes the decision to sell? Is he a gouger or a guy who was prepared but needs some cash more that the ammo? Especially if the price has gone up significantly from where he bought. I don't like gougers but its not always easy to spot them. And I don't have any stockpiles so I am SOL like many others here.
Agree we need to focus on making ourselves heard in Washington and we will prices fall...
 
I know people who buy guns all the time but don't buy ammo. They might have five 22LR guns and a 100 rounds of ammo. Another thing we all have had four years to get ready for this if you have been caught short it's your fault. You might say I can't afford to buy ammo and the like to get me by at times like this. I say get a part time job and save your money and buy when things get better because it will happen again. Don't blame the people who are selling at high prices. Don
 
I bumped into a guy the other day who told me that immediately after the Sandy Hook shootings, he bought 200,000 rounds of .22LR. He didn't say whether he bought it for personal use or to sell at a profit, but I can't imagine he's keeping it all for himself...

Capitalism ain't always pretty...

Now he would be called a gouger . . . . I call him an entrepreneur.

He is risking his money. He is taking a chance. He believes that he can turn a profit before prices go back down. I admire people like that. The people who got rich in the gold fields in the 19th century were the ones who bought goods cheap in San Francisco or St. Louis and packed them out to the miners, taking the chances that they would lose all they had before they got there. I read an account of a man who bought a thousand tins of sardines for something like 10 cents per, packed them to Alder Gulch and sold them for $2 per can. Gouger or entrepreneur? If not for him, the miners would not have had the delicacies.

Beemerguy, if you run short of .22lr, you know where to go, don't you? The man is rendering a service.

It is the American Way.;)
 
Oh, I got excited.
I thought the thread title said "Cougers".
Never mind. :D

Here ya go...

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I don't know how many times last year I kept being told I needed to stock up on ammo but it was a lot. I listened and bought up what I could afford to and am okay for now at least. Did others not get those warnings too?
I can't blame dealers for selling now with reflection on what it'll cost to resupply either as they're in business to make a profit afterall. Now those raping us with prices will never again see my business either.
One big supplier which I won't name but has been bashed about here already sent me a flyer with 5.56 on sale last year. Their website showed a higher price so I called and learned the price went up and they couldn't honor the flyer price. I can no longer justify dealing with them and their flyer now goes in my recycle bin.
 
I would seriously love to see all gougers weighing 90 pounds each and standing in loooong lines for stale bread. Of course now I mean this in the kindest possible way.....NOT!
 
Straightening my reloading bench I found a 2 lb coffee can mostly full of loose 22 LR. For the last 15 years when I'd come home from the range and clean out my shooting bag I'd find a few loose 22's in the bottom. I got in the habit of just throwing the loose ammo into this can. Judging by the weight there is probably 1500 rounds or so in this can.

If I put this on one of the gun auctions with $0 reserve it would probably bring $100 with todays prices and that would reflect current market prices. If I put it on consignment at the LGS with a price tag of $100 it would probably also sell. Is either scenario price gouging?
 
Straightening my reloading bench I found a 2 lb coffee can mostly full of loose 22 LR. For the last 15 years when I'd come home from the range and clean out my shooting bag I'd find a few loose 22's in the bottom. I got in the habit of just throwing the loose ammo into this can. Judging by the weight there is probably 1500 rounds or so in this can.

If I put this on one of the gun auctions with $0 reserve it would probably bring $100 with todays prices and that would reflect current market prices. If I put it on consignment at the LGS with a price tag of $100 it would probably also sell. Is either scenario price gouging?


No. No harm done.

I've already posted what I'd do. The zero reserve auction puts the buyers in the driver's seat.
 
Straightening my reloading bench I found a 2 lb coffee can mostly full of loose 22 LR. For the last 15 years when I'd come home from the range and clean out my shooting bag I'd find a few loose 22's in the bottom. I got in the habit of just throwing the loose ammo into this can. Judging by the weight there is probably 1500 rounds or so in this can.

If I put this on one of the gun auctions with $0 reserve it would probably bring $100 with todays prices and that would reflect current market prices. If I put it on consignment at the LGS with a price tag of $100 it would probably also sell. Is either scenario price gouging?

What did it cost you initially and what would it cost you to replace it. If you try to sell it for more than a reasonable profit you are guilty of gouging. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Here ya go...

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Her name was Emily.

Sadly, she passed away on Nov. 12, 2012.

:(

ETA: Her father is a member of another forum I frequent.

Terry,
I like to think that this forum is such a high-class place that such a sad post could only be true and nobody here would joke about such a thing.

My condolences to her family. :(


I sincerely hope you don't take this post the wrong way.
 
I think the OP is just ill-prepared.

If the sale of all guns and ammo were banned tomorrow worldwide, you'd find out that $60 a brick for .22 is a STEAL.
 
Keep in mind that the real culprit is government meddling in areas where they should not, creating uncertainty where none should exist.

Hear, hear.

So.... while gun owners bicker amongst themselves over who is a gouger and hoarder, and brag about being prepared while criticizing others for not... govt gun grabbers are having a good laugh.

Eh, I doubt the gun grabbers are too happy that guns and ammo are flying off the shelves and into the hands of private citizens as fast as stocks permit.

The criticism of those who complain about the obviously false injustice of presently high ammunition prices is justified, in my opinion. However, I think the criticism is slightly misplaced. A lack of preparedness is not really the issue. My criticism of the complainers is first that they are lobbing accusations of immorality at other individuals for something that is obviously considered by the complainer to be a non-essential item. I say "obviously" because if they truly considered it an essential, they would maintain a minimum stock of it, just as they would water or food. To not have a minimum stock is an admission that the item is not considered an essential, and this shows how shallow is the complainer.

My criticism of the complainers is more pointed when it comes to the implications of such wheedling upon personal liberty and property rights. For one man to accuse another of injustice simply because the accused (a) has acquired property and (b) chooses not to part easily with it shows that the accuser doesn't really hold liberty as a moral foundation. THIS is worthy of criticism.

The complainers should be more introspective. I for one think there is a very fine line -- if there is any at all -- between the gun grabbers who think it quite right to confiscate another man's property for whatever reasons they conjure, and the complainers, whose accusations must be based on a phantom claim to property that belongs to another, for whatever reason they imagine. If the gun grabbers are laughing, perhaps it is because they realize that the complainers may be kindred spirits.
 
What did it cost you initially and what would it cost you to replace it. If you try to sell it for more than a reasonable profit you are guilty of gouging. Just my 2 cents worth.

Those conditions have exactly nothing to do with the scenario presented. The poster proposed an auction with no reserve and a one penny starting price.

I will say it until I'm blue in the face. The prices previous to 12/15 were due to the simple laws of supply and demand and the current prices are due to the simple laws of supply and demand.
This concept all depends on the buyer's willingness to pay the price. The sellers are only offering goods at what they think are fair-market prices. If the seller prices it too high, IT WILL NOT SELL. If the goods sell, the price was right.

And in the above case, the seller offers the goods at one penny, which is way below market value. In different times he would be accused by some of flooding the market!

In the scenario presented, the price will be exactly what the market requires, not one cent more or less.:cool:
 
...and unless it's life saving medicine for my children, or food fo a diabetic family member, then I'll do without. I believe in kharma, and those who can't see the benefit of sharing, or even charity, deserve neither when it's their turn to be in need. ;)

Define "need", please.

If you do not have 6 for your revolver or pistol then you "need" to go to the LGS and pay for a box of defensive rounds. They're readily available and the prices are pretty much same-same as last year.

If you do not have 500 rounds of Zombie Killer ammo for your AR you "need" to find another hobby until things change, or until you decide that you can afford to pony up to the new normal.

And if you decide that you cannot afford to feed that rifle, sell it to me. But only for 5% more than you paid otherwise you're a gouger bound for Hell.

You were not prepared enough to ride out this highly predictable circumstance and you expect, nay, you demand charity?

I'm out.:cool:
 
I think the main gripe here is that most people are used to buying ammo as they need it and that suddenly changed.We old farts have seen it before so we expected it to happen again.So,to those complaining,yea it's a pain,but it ain't life or death for most of us.And to those gloating- yea,we recognize a pattern,ain't we brilliant.
 
The market will decide. Do we really want price fixing and regulation? Let the buyer beware.
 
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