Fire4606: I'm in Iowa right now for the Summer, and I'll join you in that wager..........best regards Plum
Groups at 100 yards
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Fire4606: I'm in Iowa right now for the Summer, and I'll join you in that wager..........best regards Plum
100 yard accuracy?
I gave it a try.
Weapon, 15-22 mounted with an Ed Brown 4x12 40 mm objective scope and a Gissele 3 gun trigger.
Ammo, Remington Golden bullet bulk pack.
Federal Champion bulk pack 1200 fps.
Aguila Interceptor high velocity 1400 fps.
Used an indoor 100 yard shooting facility useing concrete shooting benches.Adjustable front rest and sand bags in the rear.
I did my best to make the test as fair and accurate as I could make it.Between each different ammo used, I swabbed the barrel and shot 3 fowling rounds before the target was engaged.
I also shot each target with 10 rounds because I believe this is a better test then just 3.The outside the group shots occurred in the middle of the shot string, not at the end of the 10, meaning barrel fowling had nothing to do with it.
Since claims of accuracy means nothing with out pics and the honesty of the shooter.Here are my pics and were shot with the advise from two very good BR shooters. I think they had more fun then I did with this test.
As you can see,ammo makes a world of difference in the rimfire world, like I already mentioned previously in this thread.
Also note, what a big difference there was in vertical height, from point of aim to bullet impact.The 1400 FPS Aguila shot a lot higher then the lower velocity rounds.
This means,if your going to shoot for accuracy, dont mix ammo and expect then to hit where you are aiming.
I gave it a try.
Weapon, 15-22 mounted with an Ed Brown 4x12 40 mm objective scope and a Gissele 3 gun trigger.
Ammo, Remington Golden bullet bulk pack.
Federal Champion bulk pack 1200 fps.
Aguila Interceptor high velocity 1400 fps.
Used an indoor 100 yard shooting facility useing concrete shooting benches.Adjustable front rest and sand bags in the rear.
I did my best to make the test as fair and accurate as I could make it.Between each different ammo used, I swabbed the barrel and shot 3 fowling rounds before the target was engaged.
I also shot each target with 10 rounds because I believe this is a better test then just 3.The outside the group shots occurred in the middle of the shot string, not at the end of the 10, meaning barrel fowling had nothing to do with it.
Since claims of accuracy means nothing with out pics and the honesty of the shooter.Here are my pics and were shot with the advise from two very good BR shooters. I think they had more fun then I did with this test.
As you can see,ammo makes a world of difference in the rimfire world, like I already mentioned previously in this thread.
Also note, what a big difference there was in vertical height, from point of aim to bullet impact.The 1400 FPS Aguila shot a lot higher then the lower velocity rounds.
This means,if your going to shoot for accuracy, dont mix ammo and expect then to hit where you are aiming.
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I had so much fun with this? Im considering joining our local 50 yard BR shooters competition in the Sporter class.
Im betting with the right ammo and some more practice, I could compete with the Rugers and the cheaper bolt action rifles that compete in this class.
Im betting with the right ammo and some more practice, I could compete with the Rugers and the cheaper bolt action rifles that compete in this class.
Of the 4 15-22 rifles I have purchased none of them would be capable of producing groups inside a dime.
My Remington 541T bolt gun on the other hand can and has done 5 shoots inside a dime at 50yds. At 100 yds they spread out and will not touch, all seperate holes in the paper. This is off the bench using sand bags and a 15X Bushnell scope.
The 15-22 is a fun gun to shoot with; it's not a bench rest gun.
Bill
My Remington 541T bolt gun on the other hand can and has done 5 shoots inside a dime at 50yds. At 100 yds they spread out and will not touch, all seperate holes in the paper. This is off the bench using sand bags and a 15X Bushnell scope.
The 15-22 is a fun gun to shoot with; it's not a bench rest gun.
Bill
Beuford T. Rimfire
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Nice shooting, Lager! I'd have bet the Federals would have had a tighter grouping than the Aguila, but I guess that's why we test ammo, right?
Try some subsonic match rounds at 100yds. I squirrel hunt with CCI SS HP's and I've found them to have very tight groupings at 25yds. I have shot them once at 100yds just for fun and had a much tighter grouping comparable to other ammo. This was all under no magnification, however, so about 4 MOA was my best - also shooting 10 round groups. I'll bet a good match subsonic would improve on the 1.5" grouping of the Aguila although with a bit more drop at that range.
Try some subsonic match rounds at 100yds. I squirrel hunt with CCI SS HP's and I've found them to have very tight groupings at 25yds. I have shot them once at 100yds just for fun and had a much tighter grouping comparable to other ammo. This was all under no magnification, however, so about 4 MOA was my best - also shooting 10 round groups. I'll bet a good match subsonic would improve on the 1.5" grouping of the Aguila although with a bit more drop at that range.
Hey Beuford, I thought the Feds were going to do better then they did also.None of the shots showed key holeing, they just came out of the barrel and went where they wanted to go.
The Aguila was a complete surprise to me. Always thought it was junk ammo and before the crunch I remember it being very inexpensive. Not the case now, I had to pay $10 for 50 to do this test and they did have some subsonics there at the shop. Might just bite the bullet and try them too.
Something else I noticed about the Aguila, thats a stinky smelling and smokey round. Shooting indoors with no wind, by the time the 10 were off my eyes were burning and nose was stinging.Probably the Eley primer they use.
Wish I had some CCI"s to try, im betting they would do quite well.
Thanks for the advise. As much fun I had during this test. I think I will be looking for a decent bolt action gun for this 50 yard Bench rest shooting competitions we have here in the area.
The Aguila was a complete surprise to me. Always thought it was junk ammo and before the crunch I remember it being very inexpensive. Not the case now, I had to pay $10 for 50 to do this test and they did have some subsonics there at the shop. Might just bite the bullet and try them too.
Something else I noticed about the Aguila, thats a stinky smelling and smokey round. Shooting indoors with no wind, by the time the 10 were off my eyes were burning and nose was stinging.Probably the Eley primer they use.
Wish I had some CCI"s to try, im betting they would do quite well.
Thanks for the advise. As much fun I had during this test. I think I will be looking for a decent bolt action gun for this 50 yard Bench rest shooting competitions we have here in the area.
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I find I shoot better at objects than paper. Shot 3 12 ga. Shells ( empty) at 100 yds. in 6 shots this weekend with my 15-22, 3-9x 40 Bushnell DOA 600 scope.
Kayback
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I'm getting good groups out of Remington sub sonic. I know that like dividing by zero if you read the manual, but it cycles well, it groups consistently and it sounds real quiet through my suppressor.
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cjt50
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I was surprised at how well Remmy Subsonics group, very consistent. My groups shrink about half of what faster ammo groups. (when I do my part
)Only reason I bought them was availability and now I'm glad I did. I don't shoot suppressed and they cycle just fine. (but my rifle is not a virgin, read well used)My rifle likes the slower stuff; CCI SV, Rem subsonic, etc.
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A year ago I shot these groups from fifty feet off a rest. The PC did not perform in any better fashion than my MOE version.
I did try a variety of ammo that's not used on the target shown with varying results and surprisingly CCI Blazer grouped very well. http://smith-wessonforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43792&d=1304179145
To think that the 15-22s can be match grade isn't an accurate assessment of what they are designed to do.
They're a fun gun to have and I've had nothing but good things at the range.
BTW, I sold the PC and bought a Sport and couldn't be happier.
Hobie
I did try a variety of ammo that's not used on the target shown with varying results and surprisingly CCI Blazer grouped very well. http://smith-wessonforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43792&d=1304179145
To think that the 15-22s can be match grade isn't an accurate assessment of what they are designed to do.
They're a fun gun to have and I've had nothing but good things at the range.
BTW, I sold the PC and bought a Sport and couldn't be happier.
Hobie
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I really don't know. I can't see that far, and I don't feel like walking that far just to look at my dismal shooting efforts. Who cares?
Beuford T. Rimfire
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Manufactured in a country known mostly for Tequila, Corona, and water you shouldn't drink without boiling.... Why am I not surprised that the powder charge stinks, smokes, and burns the eyes?
A year ago I shot these groups from fifty feet off a rest. The PC did not perform in any better fashion than my MOE version.
I did try a variety of ammo that's not used on the target shown with varying results and surprisingly CCI Blazer grouped very well. http://smith-wessonforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43792&d=1304179145
To think that the 15-22s can be match grade isn't an accurate assessment of what they are designed to do.
They're a fun gun to have and I've had nothing but good things at the range.
BTW, I sold the PC and bought a Sport and couldn't be happier.
Hobie
imo, it would be difficult to accurately see the differences between models at 50ft. (16.6yds) They both should be relatively accurate at that distance. Did you happen to try the same at 50yrds?
1" at 100 yards is 1 MOA, but 1" at 50 yards is 2 MOA, not 1/2 MOA. 1/2" at 50 yards would be 1 MOA.
Also, before you put a scope on it you should try an http://appleseedinfo.org
Yes, you should be able to maintain MOA at increasing distance. Ammo may have an effect on MOA capability, but without good solid technique the best match ammo in the world wouldn't help. Appleseed teaches to 4 MOA standard using a rack grade rifle and surplus ammo. The regular Appleseed's are at 25m using reduced sized targets to simulate 100-400 yards. There are long range (known distance or KD) Appleseed's that you shoot actually shoot at 100-400+ yards. Those require a centerfire rifle, but at a regular Appleseed .22 is the way to go.
Member Bobermo, thats really impressive especially considering your using the iron sights.
I gotta tell you tho,
dont bother dropping money into a nice scope and its mounts just to prove that that the 15-22 isnt a target gun.
But If your wanting some fun, do it and then experiment with different 22lr heads.
I gotta tell you tho,
dont bother dropping money into a nice scope and its mounts just to prove that that the 15-22 isnt a target gun.
But If your wanting some fun, do it and then experiment with different 22lr heads.
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This was with a Vortec Sparc red dot (no magnification) today at 50 yds, and is what I would consider typical for iron sights or an unmagnified RD sight. The flyers are where I first started shooting as I dialed it in. At 100 yds, you wouldn't even see the paper plate. If someone calims they can get a nickle-sized 3 shot group with AR-type sights at 100 yds regardless of the ammo, you should be a military sniper or a car salesman.
Now with my Marlin Model 60 I can eat the center out of a target at 50-100 yds with the 3-9x32, but it is superior in accuracy by far with or without a scope.
Now with my Marlin Model 60 I can eat the center out of a target at 50-100 yds with the 3-9x32, but it is superior in accuracy by far with or without a scope.
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I appreciate you guys
I appreciate you guys with the paper plate-sized patterns. I can't shoot a nickel or dime size group at 10 yards, much less a hundred.
I appreciate you guys with the paper plate-sized patterns. I can't shoot a nickel or dime size group at 10 yards, much less a hundred.
