Groups at 100 yards
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Buckskinner
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I can't believe this (off) topic has run this far. Anyone who knows anything about rifles knows that the 15-22 is not a sub MOA rifle. To find a true sub MOA 22lr would take a heck of a lot more effort and expense than a S&W can deliver in a a 15/22. That's not knocking the 15/22, it's just reality...
AR-Getsome
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25 yards indoor,standing.
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Kayback
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I get groups similar to the one in the bottom right of your picture, with certain ammo. The guy who I let shoot it got even tighter ones than that. Nothing close to 1MOA though.
Next people will be talking about hitting an O2 bottle with a Mosin and open sights at 1000 yards.
KBK
Next people will be talking about hitting an O2 bottle with a Mosin and open sights at 1000 yards.
KBK
BobWill
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I shoot in a BR50 league as well. 50 yards, very expensive gun and ammo, on a thousand dollar front rest and a sandbag rear. Most use a 24 or 36 power scope.
And I have to tell you that it is very tough to get a nickel sized group. These guys wouldn't even try 100 yards.
But to do this with a $500 M&P 15 22 would be amazing! And open sights? WOW!
The nature of the 22 makes it very unstable. It is affected by the wind and elements more than other ammo.
Maybe I should just take my M&P to the matches?
And I have to tell you that it is very tough to get a nickel sized group. These guys wouldn't even try 100 yards.
But to do this with a $500 M&P 15 22 would be amazing! And open sights? WOW!
The nature of the 22 makes it very unstable. It is affected by the wind and elements more than other ammo.
Maybe I should just take my M&P to the matches?
Youre not going to believe this but....
200yrds at night in a wind storm with open sights shooting a single pump air rifle
Without the windstorm you wouldn't be able to cover it with a dollar!!
Majorlk
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Beuford T. Rimfire
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I sure hope you aren't attempting to prove my statement incorrect. None of those groups are ANYWHERE CLOSE to 1 MOA.
Two rounds through the same hole, twice in a string of 50 shots is just luck.
Dirt Dart
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I've never shot my 15-22 at 100 yards. I've shot it quite a bit at 50 yards. I can get consistent 3/4" groups (three rounds) at 50 yards with CCI SS, Lapua Match, or Federal Gold Medal match; all 40 grain. I shoot the rifle suppressed, so I only run sub-sonic ammo through it. Mostly with an EoTech XPS2 and off a good solid rest.
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WELL SAID !
Turdducken
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Majorlk
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This kind of water bottle?
That is just so wrong......
O2, not H2O.
Eyes got ahead of my brain. But hopefully that target would be big enough at 1000 yards...
Majorlk
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This topic has interested me for some time.
So, I decided to give it a try myself.
Since my nice scope has a 40 mm objective, my selection of rings wasnt going to work. So , I ordered a riser.
Should be interesting. Ive got some Federal and some Yellow box, just wish I had some Eley to try.
So, I decided to give it a try myself.
Since my nice scope has a 40 mm objective, my selection of rings wasnt going to work. So , I ordered a riser.
Should be interesting. Ive got some Federal and some Yellow box, just wish I had some Eley to try.
Dezfan
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I did that last week ... TWICE!
Pfffft, I hit a cricket at 150 yards, blindfolded, one hand behind my back, using "reloads!
Majorlk
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Pfffft, I hit a cricket at 150 yards, blindfolded, one hand behind my back, using "reloads!
I stand in awe!!!
Fire4606: I'm in Iowa right now for the Summer, and I'll join you in that wager..........best regards Plum
100 yard accuracy?
I gave it a try.
Weapon, 15-22 mounted with an Ed Brown 4x12 40 mm objective scope and a Gissele 3 gun trigger.
Ammo, Remington Golden bullet bulk pack.
Federal Champion bulk pack 1200 fps.
Aguila Interceptor high velocity 1400 fps.
Used an indoor 100 yard shooting facility useing concrete shooting benches.Adjustable front rest and sand bags in the rear.
I did my best to make the test as fair and accurate as I could make it.Between each different ammo used, I swabbed the barrel and shot 3 fowling rounds before the target was engaged.
I also shot each target with 10 rounds because I believe this is a better test then just 3.The outside the group shots occurred in the middle of the shot string, not at the end of the 10, meaning barrel fowling had nothing to do with it.
Since claims of accuracy means nothing with out pics and the honesty of the shooter.Here are my pics and were shot with the advise from two very good BR shooters. I think they had more fun then I did with this test.
As you can see,ammo makes a world of difference in the rimfire world, like I already mentioned previously in this thread.
Also note, what a big difference there was in vertical height, from point of aim to bullet impact.The 1400 FPS Aguila shot a lot higher then the lower velocity rounds.
This means,if your going to shoot for accuracy, dont mix ammo and expect then to hit where you are aiming.
I gave it a try.
Weapon, 15-22 mounted with an Ed Brown 4x12 40 mm objective scope and a Gissele 3 gun trigger.
Ammo, Remington Golden bullet bulk pack.
Federal Champion bulk pack 1200 fps.
Aguila Interceptor high velocity 1400 fps.
Used an indoor 100 yard shooting facility useing concrete shooting benches.Adjustable front rest and sand bags in the rear.
I did my best to make the test as fair and accurate as I could make it.Between each different ammo used, I swabbed the barrel and shot 3 fowling rounds before the target was engaged.
I also shot each target with 10 rounds because I believe this is a better test then just 3.The outside the group shots occurred in the middle of the shot string, not at the end of the 10, meaning barrel fowling had nothing to do with it.
Since claims of accuracy means nothing with out pics and the honesty of the shooter.Here are my pics and were shot with the advise from two very good BR shooters. I think they had more fun then I did with this test.
As you can see,ammo makes a world of difference in the rimfire world, like I already mentioned previously in this thread.
Also note, what a big difference there was in vertical height, from point of aim to bullet impact.The 1400 FPS Aguila shot a lot higher then the lower velocity rounds.
This means,if your going to shoot for accuracy, dont mix ammo and expect then to hit where you are aiming.
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I had so much fun with this? Im considering joining our local 50 yard BR shooters competition in the Sporter class.
Im betting with the right ammo and some more practice, I could compete with the Rugers and the cheaper bolt action rifles that compete in this class.
Im betting with the right ammo and some more practice, I could compete with the Rugers and the cheaper bolt action rifles that compete in this class.
Of the 4 15-22 rifles I have purchased none of them would be capable of producing groups inside a dime.
My Remington 541T bolt gun on the other hand can and has done 5 shoots inside a dime at 50yds. At 100 yds they spread out and will not touch, all seperate holes in the paper. This is off the bench using sand bags and a 15X Bushnell scope.
The 15-22 is a fun gun to shoot with; it's not a bench rest gun.
Bill
My Remington 541T bolt gun on the other hand can and has done 5 shoots inside a dime at 50yds. At 100 yds they spread out and will not touch, all seperate holes in the paper. This is off the bench using sand bags and a 15X Bushnell scope.
The 15-22 is a fun gun to shoot with; it's not a bench rest gun.
Bill
Beuford T. Rimfire
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Nice shooting, Lager! I'd have bet the Federals would have had a tighter grouping than the Aguila, but I guess that's why we test ammo, right?
Try some subsonic match rounds at 100yds. I squirrel hunt with CCI SS HP's and I've found them to have very tight groupings at 25yds. I have shot them once at 100yds just for fun and had a much tighter grouping comparable to other ammo. This was all under no magnification, however, so about 4 MOA was my best - also shooting 10 round groups. I'll bet a good match subsonic would improve on the 1.5" grouping of the Aguila although with a bit more drop at that range.
Try some subsonic match rounds at 100yds. I squirrel hunt with CCI SS HP's and I've found them to have very tight groupings at 25yds. I have shot them once at 100yds just for fun and had a much tighter grouping comparable to other ammo. This was all under no magnification, however, so about 4 MOA was my best - also shooting 10 round groups. I'll bet a good match subsonic would improve on the 1.5" grouping of the Aguila although with a bit more drop at that range.
Hey Beuford, I thought the Feds were going to do better then they did also.None of the shots showed key holeing, they just came out of the barrel and went where they wanted to go.
The Aguila was a complete surprise to me. Always thought it was junk ammo and before the crunch I remember it being very inexpensive. Not the case now, I had to pay $10 for 50 to do this test and they did have some subsonics there at the shop. Might just bite the bullet and try them too.
Something else I noticed about the Aguila, thats a stinky smelling and smokey round. Shooting indoors with no wind, by the time the 10 were off my eyes were burning and nose was stinging.Probably the Eley primer they use.
Wish I had some CCI"s to try, im betting they would do quite well.
Thanks for the advise. As much fun I had during this test. I think I will be looking for a decent bolt action gun for this 50 yard Bench rest shooting competitions we have here in the area.
The Aguila was a complete surprise to me. Always thought it was junk ammo and before the crunch I remember it being very inexpensive. Not the case now, I had to pay $10 for 50 to do this test and they did have some subsonics there at the shop. Might just bite the bullet and try them too.
Something else I noticed about the Aguila, thats a stinky smelling and smokey round. Shooting indoors with no wind, by the time the 10 were off my eyes were burning and nose was stinging.Probably the Eley primer they use.
Wish I had some CCI"s to try, im betting they would do quite well.
Thanks for the advise. As much fun I had during this test. I think I will be looking for a decent bolt action gun for this 50 yard Bench rest shooting competitions we have here in the area.
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I find I shoot better at objects than paper. Shot 3 12 ga. Shells ( empty) at 100 yds. in 6 shots this weekend with my 15-22, 3-9x 40 Bushnell DOA 600 scope.
Kayback
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I'm getting good groups out of Remington sub sonic. I know that like dividing by zero if you read the manual, but it cycles well, it groups consistently and it sounds real quiet through my suppressor.
KBK
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cjt50
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I was surprised at how well Remmy Subsonics group, very consistent. My groups shrink about half of what faster ammo groups. (when I do my part
)Only reason I bought them was availability and now I'm glad I did. I don't shoot suppressed and they cycle just fine. (but my rifle is not a virgin, read well used)My rifle likes the slower stuff; CCI SV, Rem subsonic, etc.
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