Gun range reports law-abiding customers to police.

[HalfStack]

Thanks man. I was born in Milwaukee but we moved to Texas when I was a tot. I wonder if my dad knows something but he keeps to himself.

 

[nipster]

There is a large retailer of firearms locally. I'm sure he knows a small percentage of the firearms sold will eventually be used in crime. Since we already "insta-check", should he transmit all data to the Orlando PD/OCSD/FDLE and let them "have a look?" Maybe he should close all his retail locations and give up selling firearms. That would be the "moral high road" given the possibilities.

That is actually illegal in Florida. It's in the state constitution that having a gun registry is illegal. Law enforcement is not exempt from that.

If I was a shooter at that range, I would be talking to a lawyer right now. This is complete B-S.

 

[wbraswell]

I think that all of us know now, that if we go to a range that we must identify ourselves or sign in, before we can shoot, to ask...What for?

 

[venomballistics]

Thanks man. I was born in Milwaukee but we moved to Texas when I was a tot. I wonder if my dad knows something but he keeps to himself.

could be that your father saw trouble brewing, or it could be he was driven to greener pastures for the history of economic fumbles seen and unseen. It always seems to get rough there before anywhere else.

I was coming home about 5 years ago. I was nine hours behind the wheel and the coffee I drank back in Nebraska was long since depleted.
well I got pulled over by a younger state trooper who radioed in backup .. an older officer.
the young buck was dead set on finding something to stick to me at any cost be it drugs, illegal guns or anything he could make up. The older officer was far better versed in proper procedure and figured out I had a better understanding of illegal search and seizure than most. He pulled the young buck aside and said something to him in code where by the young buck concluded his fun and games and played exactly by the numbers ... looking at the ages .. the old veteran trooper was taught proper procedure in respect to the law. The young buck was taught "Preferred procedure" with disregard for the law. WI State patrol is regulated nearly entirely by Madison. All that hassle over 10 MPH over. I was a Nebraskan the following year.

 

[jaykellogg]

It isn't clear to me if the names reported are all patrons of this gun store/range or just people who buy guns. If the GS employees are selling a LOT of guns to straw buyers then the place probably deserves to lose its FFL. I am also unfamiliar with gun purchase laws in WI, but in NC, the local sheriff issues the purchase permits (unless you have a concealed carry license). Presumably, the sheriff does some background checks. If I were the sheriff, I would check the national records as well as local.

Now if the business is reporting the names of shooters who use the range then IMO the data would probably overload the police. Also if the information were gotten without a search warrant, it could possibly be thrown out of court and all evidence gotten as a result of it.

When I buy a gun I sign an affidavit that I am buying the gun for myself only and not for any other person. I cannot figure out how it could ever be proven though, that a person was a straw buyer, especially in a state that allows ftf sales.

If I saw that information in the newspaper about a range/gun store I did business with I would probably just go elsewhere. My local range just takes first names or nicknames. I agree that there is too much collecting of information about all aspects of our lives, but especially regarding gun ownership. I know of many law abiding citizens who own "clean" guns with no ability to be traced to them. I believe this is done purposely to avoid the government sticking its nose into business where it does not belong.

 

[Dave Ki]

As Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just say no."

They have no more duty to comply, absent a warrant, than they would if the police demanded customers' credit card numbers.

This was obviously VOLUNTARY action, as there was no legal mechanism employed to COMPEL it.

Political careers and money.