My dept. went to the Glock 40 cal. back around 1998. Since then we had continuous problems with this caliber. The sharp recoil would cause breakages. Officers on the smallish side had trouble qualifying as well. Finally in 2012 we completely switched back to the 9mm. Personally, I'm very happy with that decision and wondered why it took so long.
Guy switches from .45 to 9mm after gunfight
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My dept. went to the Glock 40 cal. back around 1998. Since then we had continuous problems with this caliber. The sharp recoil would cause breakages. Officers on the smallish side had trouble qualifying as well. Finally in 2012 we completely switched back to the 9mm. Personally, I'm very happy with that decision and wondered why it took so long.
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I certainly am not an expert, but over my many years of shooting, and many years of reading about actual shooting cases, the caliber arguments sometimes strike me as similar to those of the middle ages "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" issues.
More times than I can count I have read of people being killed by a single 22LR round, and similarly, people able to run away, get to a hospital, etc. with 3 or 4 45acp rounds in them. (Don't ask for specifics because I certainly do not save all of these anecdotal stories from newspapers, magazines, etc.).
So in my opinion, as many others have said in the same or different words, carry what you are comfortable with and practice as much as you can. If and when you need to actually use a firearm to defend yourself you will find out a lot more about yourself than what caliber works best. If you don't believe me, talk to any military veteran about what it is like to be under fire (if he or she will talk about it at all).
More times than I can count I have read of people being killed by a single 22LR round, and similarly, people able to run away, get to a hospital, etc. with 3 or 4 45acp rounds in them. (Don't ask for specifics because I certainly do not save all of these anecdotal stories from newspapers, magazines, etc.).
So in my opinion, as many others have said in the same or different words, carry what you are comfortable with and practice as much as you can. If and when you need to actually use a firearm to defend yourself you will find out a lot more about yourself than what caliber works best. If you don't believe me, talk to any military veteran about what it is like to be under fire (if he or she will talk about it at all).
Have a gander at one of the 1911, Glock or general gun forums -- there's usually a knock down, drag out .45 vs 9mm thread every six minutes.
Agreed, but this forum is more civilized. jb
Don't confuse lethal and effective. You can shoot a guy with a .25 ACP, and if he continues his mayhem then, but dies three days later from the shot, it was 100% lethal, but not effective.
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Have a gander at one of the 1911, Glock or general gun forums -- there's usually a knock down, drag out .45 vs 9mm thread every six minutes.
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9mm vs .45acp; such silliness. I'm sticking to my 4 inch .44s because their Special. Tom Threeperson and Jelly Bryce had it right ;^)
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There was another incident recently, in which a police officer using a .45 caliber automatic, expended somewhere north of 30 rounds, before finally killing the bad guy. The last round was a head shot.
He has now switched to 9mm, and carries 145 rounds of ammo.
While I'm certainly glad that he survived the encounter and came out on top, my primary criticism of him was, and still is, his lack of adopting the the necessary tactics to take out the bad guy. He states that he hit the perp with a number of "center mass" hits, but didn't kill the guy until he shot from beneath a car.
Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
He has now switched to 9mm, and carries 145 rounds of ammo.
While I'm certainly glad that he survived the encounter and came out on top, my primary criticism of him was, and still is, his lack of adopting the the necessary tactics to take out the bad guy. He states that he hit the perp with a number of "center mass" hits, but didn't kill the guy until he shot from beneath a car.
Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
I read the article Dennis.
The cop shot 30 times and hit the bad guy 14 of those times with 6 being fatal shots. Yet the guy kept shooting back and running around.
The officer laid in the grass and targeted the bad guy who had taken position behind the squad car and when the BG looked beneath the squad the officer rapid fired an additional 3 rounds which were all head shots (total shots fired = 33).
The cop had 4 rounds remaining in his gun. 4 rounds after firing 33. I bet he was getting a little worried.
I never agreed with folks that tell me the 'average' gun fight is 3 rounds, and carrying 7 or 8 big bullets is perfectly reliable to stop whatever may come up.
Time to make myself a magazine holder and carry some extra rounds....
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The cop shot 30 times and hit the bad guy 14 of those times with 6 being fatal shots. Yet the guy kept shooting back and running around.
The officer laid in the grass and targeted the bad guy who had taken position behind the squad car and when the BG looked beneath the squad the officer rapid fired an additional 3 rounds which were all head shots (total shots fired = 33).
The cop had 4 rounds remaining in his gun. 4 rounds after firing 33. I bet he was getting a little worried.
I never agreed with folks that tell me the 'average' gun fight is 3 rounds, and carrying 7 or 8 big bullets is perfectly reliable to stop whatever may come up.
Time to make myself a magazine holder and carry some extra rounds....
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