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Have been seeing on the news today that at least two American commercial passenger planes landing in Haiti have be fired on from the ground, and that the FAA has cancelled all US airline flights into Haiti for at least 30 days. Seems that Haitian gangs have essentially taken over the country. I saw some scenes of what appear to be Haitian troops or police, I couldn’t tell which, on the ground, appears they were armed with what looks like Mini-14s.

Not that I ever planned vacationing in Haiti, I sure wouldn’t go anywhere close to the place now. Does anyone know the story about the Haitian gangs? Who are they and what do they want?
 
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Have been seeing on the news today that at least two American commercial passenger planes landing in Haiti have be fired on from the ground, and that the FAA has cancelled all US airline flights into Haiti for at least 30 days. Seems that Haitian gangs have essentially taken over the country. I saw some scenes of what appear to be Haitian troops or police, I couldn’t tell which, on the ground, appears they were armed with what looks like Mini-14s.

Not that I ever planned vacationing in Haiti, I sure wouldn’t go anywhere close to the place now. Does anyone know the story about the Haitian gangs? Who are they and what do they want?

The usual. Control of people, drugs, and prostitution, and no law enforcement interference.
 
I remember once reading that the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic was a free fire zone and heavily patrolled by the Dominicans. Any Haitian caught trying to cross the border was summarily executed on the spot by the Dominicans. Wonder if that is still done.
 
While a salty E-4 in the USMC, I was sent to Haiti in Aug 1980 for a hurricane disaster relief team. My job was to run the aux generator for the radio to talk back to CONUS. Like many Carter-era mil equipment, the radio didn't work. So basically, I was on 24hr liberty for two weeks. :D

We were billeted at the Holiday Inn, about 1 mile (maybe less) from the Presidential Palace. Port Au Prince.

At the time, Haiti was getting heavy US funding & support. Having said that, I can't begin to describe how filthy, nasty & gross a lot of the downtown city was. Just incredible.

Being that I was a fit, muscular young Marine, I tended to go wherever I pleased in Port Au Prince, at any time. All I had was my Buck 110 knife on my belt & attitude. Strangely enough, it worked. No one bothered, accosted or threatened me at any time or place. 2pm or 2am, it didn't matter. The men left me alone, who knows why? :cool:

At the time Baby Doc was still dictator. The notorious TomTom (secret police) were well in place, keeping opposition in their place. As a result, there weren't a lot of protests or "rebel" activity those days.

Eventually, Baby Doc went the way of his father & was ousted. Baby Doc fled to France, since France was the original colonialist govt. He eventually died of a heart attack in France in 1986.

The leaders who followed him were all disasters, for a variety of reasons. Mostly it was not enough support from the Haitian military, the US military & the Haitian people. This formula varied among the subsequent presidents, but that's the gist of it.

In the last 2-3 years, the govt basically disintegrated. Nature abhors a vacuum, so war lords popped up across the country ala` Somolia & other spots of paradise. Now there's cell phones & easy comms, so they got stronger faster, IOW.

As I recall, Haiti has a 90 or 95% illiteracy rate. Voodoo is a VERY big there as well. So a strong personality can indeed stir up a small army. Seems like this is indeed the case.

If one looks at aerial photos of both Dominican Republic & Haiti, the landscape looks like the surface of the moon (Haiti) & the Amazon Rain Forrest (DR). Had Haiti not gotten US funding all those decades, it would look worse than Cuba.

The only export Haiti ever did was they made American MLB baseballs. No food, no cigars, just baseballs. :cool:

So now Haiti is just like many of the inner countries of Africa: lawless, violent, uneducated, isolated & hopeless. :(

Oh, yes. The mil guards around the Palace all had M-14s. No clue if they were loaded (doubtful) or full-auto. I made one of them VERY nervous when I eyeballed his M-14 VERY closely while describing it to a US civilian I was hanging with. :D

I don't recall what pistol the very few cops I saw carried. I want to say they were revolvers.
 
Classic case of too many factions, none with the critical mass to actually control everything. There are 400 some odd Kenyan "peacekeepers" that aren't.

The big problem is the aid workers that are there. No way out.
 
I remember my mom once went to Haiti with some "missionary" group. It was a cheap trip to her. All she brought back was a DIY Voodoo kit. Nothing else was worthy of the American dollar. This was back in the '60s. Things have not improved since. Why any American time and trouble--and dollars--are invested in that **** hole is beyond me. I have several Haitian neighbors, yet not one of them is willing to go back and improve conditions in that lost cause.
 
Under the current circumstances, it would not be surprising if there will be no civilian commercial air service into Port-Au-Prince for a very long time.
 
I was offered a police advisor gig there very recently. No thanks - at least Somalia (I was there earlier this year) has a functional airport. In Haiti you can now only leave by boat (not good) or land to the DR (most definitely not good).

What happens to commercial flights is that their insurance carriers decide when to stay out of Place A or Place B.
 
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In 2010, an immense earthquake hit Haiti. It pretty well destroyed every structure standing and killed an unknown number, which could have been several hundred of thousands. Immense amounts of foreign monetary aid flowed into Haiti and it seems most of it vanished with little to no effect. Things have probably not changed.
 
...The big problem is the aid workers that are there. No way out...

Father Rick Frechette, a doctor and priest, has ministered in Haiti for 39 of his 45 years since being ordained. He's built 2 hospitals, 3 orphanages, and a number of schools, and works seven days a week. An old BCFD comrade is a personal friend of Father Rick, and relays that conditions in Haiti are so bad now it's like living in hell.

Gangs steal, loot, and rape at will. They fight each other constantly, and gunfire is heard around the clock, except in the morning when they sleep after the fighting and drinking. Father Rick's hospital can't be accessed now because roads leading to it are closed, and at age 71, he is dealing with health problems brought on by the constant stress he's under...but still he persists, and he has no plans to leave.

Every time I read about Father Rick, I have no doubt that saints do indeed walk among us...

Profile: Father Richard Frechette, CP, D.O. – NPH USA
 
While a salty E-4 in the USMC, I was sent to Haiti in Aug 1980 for a hurricane disaster relief team. My job was to run the aux generator for the radio to talk back to CONUS. Like many Carter-era mil equipment, the radio didn't work. So basically, I was on 24hr liberty for two weeks. :D

We were billeted at the Holiday Inn, about 1 mile (maybe less) from the Presidential Palace. Port Au Prince.

At the time, Haiti was getting heavy US funding & support. Having said that, I can't begin to describe how filthy, nasty & gross a lot of the downtown city was. Just incredible.

Being that I was a fit, muscular young Marine, I tended to go wherever I pleased in Port Au Prince, at any time. All I had was my Buck 110 knife on my belt & attitude. Strangely enough, it worked. No one bothered, accosted or threatened me at any time or place. 2pm or 2am, it didn't matter. The men left me alone, who knows why? :cool:

At the time Baby Doc was still dictator. The notorious TomTom (secret police) were well in place, keeping opposition in their place. As a result, there weren't a lot of protests or "rebel" activity those days.

Eventually, Baby Doc went the way of his father & was ousted. Baby Doc fled to France, since France was the original colonialist govt. He eventually died of a heart attack in France in 1986.

The leaders who followed him were all disasters, for a variety of reasons. Mostly it was not enough support from the Haitian military, the US military & the Haitian people. This formula varied among the subsequent presidents, but that's the gist of it.

In the last 2-3 years, the govt basically disintegrated. Nature abhors a vacuum, so war lords popped up across the country ala` Somolia & other spots of paradise. Now there's cell phones & easy comms, so they got stronger faster, IOW.

As I recall, Haiti has a 90 or 95% illiteracy rate. Voodoo is a VERY big there as well. So a strong personality can indeed stir up a small army. Seems like this is indeed the case.

If one looks at aerial photos of both Dominican Republic & Haiti, the landscape looks like the surface of the moon (Haiti) & the Amazon Rain Forrest (DR). Had Haiti not gotten US funding all those decades, it would look worse than Cuba.

The only export Haiti ever did was they made American MLB baseballs. No food, no cigars, just baseballs. :cool:

So now Haiti is just like many of the inner countries of Africa: lawless, violent, uneducated, isolated & hopeless. :(

Oh, yes. The mil guards around the Palace all had M-14s. No clue if they were loaded (doubtful) or full-auto. I made one of them VERY nervous when I eyeballed his M-14 VERY closely while describing it to a US civilian I was hanging with. :D

I don't recall what pistol the very few cops I saw carried. I want to say they were revolvers.

interesting post

In reply to "who knows why" in this part.

Being that I was a fit, muscular young Marine, I tended to go wherever I pleased in Port Au Prince, at any time. All I had was my Buck 110 knife on my belt & attitude. Strangely enough, it worked. No one bothered, accosted or threatened me at any time or place. 2pm or 2am, it didn't matter. The men left me alone, who knows why? :cool:

The answer is very few gangs want to mess with people who belong to a vastly superior gang. It wouldn't take a lot of mental horse power to figure out messing with Marines would not be a good plan and I am sure the command came down from on high to leave them alone.

USMC the biggest baddest gang around:D

Legend has it that at one time after a number of Marines were robbed, arrested and otherwise abused in Tijuana, the Camp Pendleton commanding General unofficially declared dungaree liberty on TJ and after bus loads of Marines with his unspoken blessing arrived and partied down, the locals decided that messing with them was a very bad idea. I could tell you how I got robbed in TJ in 1970, but they made sure that I had enough left for a bus ticket back to base before leaving me. They also advised me where to carry the 2 switch blade I had already bought when I went back across the border. Actually except for the promise of the young women not coming to fruition it was an interesting experience. I thought briefly about pulling one of the switch blades, but a voice in my head told me that the 3 guys who were standing between me and the door were not new at the business and it would not end well. I am still sure it was a wise decision,.
 
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….If one looks at aerial photos of both Dominican Republic & Haiti, the landscape looks like the surface of the moon (Haiti) & the Amazon Rain Forrest (DR). Had Haiti not gotten US funding all those decades, it would look worse than Cuba…

This was the most shocking scene to me.

At the border between Haiti and the DR, lush jungle in the DR, and every tree and twig culled and burned for cooking charcoal on the Haitian side.

Same island, differing concepts of management.
 

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