Has anyone tried the Apex kit for J-frames?

[Continental Op]

Has anyone tried the Apex Tactical Duty/Carry Spring Kit for J-Frames? I know a lot of people like thier products for the M&P pistols. I don't own a J-frame yet, but the ones I've tried had pretty bad triggers. Thanks for your input.

 

[shootis]

Please see my other post for a very positive review!

You must have posted this as I was replying to the other thread.

 

[LH2]

Randy Lee / Apex was well known for S&W revolver work before they had anything to do with M&P's.

By all reports, the Apex kit sounds like the best you'll get out of a J-frame trigger without replacing the whole gun with a Ruger LCR.

 

[Matt C.]

Yes, love the results.

 

[RobC2]

I plan to try it, they are very highly regarded.

 

[photoman]

Give it a try and see if you like it. The parts are quality. I ended up going back to the stock rebound spring as I found the Apex spring too "mushy" on the return.

 

[snubbiefan]

I made a post in the "other" thread too. Next time I have the opportunity...I may try Apex, but I have Wolff springs in all my j-frames. No issues, even in the 317's.

 

[LH2]

I have the Apex kit in my new 442-1. Smoother than factory? Yes. Lighter than factory? Slightly. Still heavy, but maybe that's to ensure primer ignition.

What's bothering me (maybe I'm over thinking this) is the trigger return feel, after the hammer drops, is sort of gritty or something. Hard to explain. I've owned half a dozen J-frames and don't remember this sensation during trigger return.

 

[cmj8591]

Just installed one on my 360. It reduced the pull by about 35% and is much smoother. I would recomend them.

 

[sprscientist]

Yes, in a 60-9. Much improved pull (smoother, lighter) and sight control.

 

[glock_556]

I receive my apex kit(s) in the mail yesterday and I'm going to install them in my 642 and the wife's 36. Can't wait!!


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[VaRecon]

I tried it briefly. I prefer the stiff d/a on the factory 638.
The smoothness wasn't very different imo.

 

[photoman]

What's bothering me (maybe I'm over thinking this) is the trigger return feel, after the hammer drops, is sort of gritty or something. Hard to explain. I've owned half a dozen J-frames and don't remember this sensation during trigger return.

Don't worry, you're not losing your mind.

What you're noticing is the light rebound spring. I don't like them on stock guns for the reason you listed.

 

[chp]

Don't worry, you're not losing your mind.

What you're noticing is the light rebound spring. I don't like them on stock guns for the reason you listed.

+1 [or 2].

Jerry Miculek says on his S&W trigger job DVD something to the effect of "a good trigger must have symmetry in both the the pull and release."

I completely agree (but I'm no one to question or validate the opinions of the greatest revo shooter of our generation).

IMO, light rebound springs lessen that symmetry. I sold my Kahr for that reason - I hated the lack of symmetry in it's trigger. I've read many internet opinions stating that the Kahr trigger is like a well tuned revo. Sorry, but no it's not.

 

[LH2]

With dry-firing, it seems to be smoothing out. I'll get some range time with the 442 and go from there. If the light trigger return bothers me while shooting live ammo, I'll look into getting the gun over to a gunsmith. I'm not gonna mess around with it myself.

 

[snubbiefan]

I think the click when the cylinder latch pops back up under it's spring pressure when it is pushed back up by the trigger is a little more pronounced with the lighter rebound spring. Maybe that's part of the "gritty" feeling sensation.

 

[glock_556]

I installed the apex kit in my 36 and 642 and fire about 50 rounds each through them. Huge improvement in both. I'm very happy with the results and didn't really notice anything mushy about the trigger return


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[james56]

So what makes these (Apex) any better then Wolf Spring Kits? Wolfs are less expensive I know.

 

[markush]

So what makes these (Apex) any better then Wolf Spring Kits? Wolfs are less expensive I know.

I've been watching for a comparison between these two since Apex came out with it's kit. I already had the Wolff kit in mine before the Apex came out or else I would have bought both. As it is I am immensely happy with my $8.00 Wolff kit and will not be buying the $24.00 Apex kit just to try.

It would be great if someone could install both, one after another, into the same gun and take trigger pull measurements. For some reason I can't find mention of anyone doing that.

 

[snubbiefan]

I agree. I have used the Wolff springs many times myself, but not the Apex. I can't see what the big difference would be. A 9-pound spring is a 9-pound spring, or a 13-pound spring is a 13-pound spring...etc. If the Wolff fits properly (which they do) I can't see spending 3X for the Apex. You don't change any other part of the weapon...only the springs.

Maybe over time...the Apex will not weaken as a Wolff may. I don't have any history on the long-term, or high round-count with the Wolff. I don't know what the difference is other than the price.