Hello everyone...did i get screwed?

[rvanderg84]

Hello everyone, I am new to the forum, as I recently purchased an S&W Sigma sw9f...

I recently made an impulse purchase at a gun show. I don't know much about S&W semi-autos, but I know M&Ps are considered great.

I had just gotten done looking at a Sigma sw9ve for $299. I walk down a ways and see an all black similar gun tagged as an M&P for $400. Looking at the slide i see a different model number, sw9f, so I didn't think any thing was off. I asked him about it and he said it was an earlier model M&P, again no reason to doubt him. Sooo, I end up paying $325 OTD with only one magazine. I get home and begin to research sw9f and realize he lied to my face.

It appears that the Sigma is not too bad, beyond a tough trigger, but I shoot my wheelguns DA so I don't care. My question is this...

DID I GET SCREWED TOO BAD MONEY-WISE??? Will the Sigma be reliable? Can I get mags for less than $30 anywhere? Is the 9f much different from the 9ve, better/worse?

I just feel bamboozled, I guess next time I'll take time to research and not trust people so much...

Thank you all for your responses.

 

[Gunhacker]

The SW9F and SW40F were they first model polymer framed pistols that S&W produced... they were too close to Glocks and got S&W sued by Gaston Glock.

$325.... I'm not up to speed enough to say if that's too high.

Reliability... I had a first year production SW40F, had issues right out of the chute... went back to S&W 3 times within 90 days, I got rid of it.

Issues... trigger pin kept backing out of the frame under recoil. The trigger return spring broke.... I don't know if they've changed the design on the newer versions.

It was/is a coil spring with loops on each end that a pin fits through, and inside the length of the spring is a white "pipe cleaner" looking thing that is a vibration damper. If it gets wet from cleaning or taken out, the spring will break from harmonics. I got Hoppes on it, not knowing it was there and that's why it broke.

Mags are generally around $30-35...

You should ask how you did in the Sigma/SD sub forum where there folks more familiar with the poly pistols than me... I've stuck with the metal 3rd gens.

 

[Forester]

It's not a Terrible price but I would have raised holy heck with that buyer. You deserve a full refund.


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[rvanderg84]

Yeah, I would raise hell, but it was a private seller...i don't even have a phone number...if I see him at the next gun show we're gonna have words

 

[mlk18]

The SW9F was the best of the 1st gen Sigma's. Over in the Sigma sub-forum there are a few SW9F owners that are very happy with theirs. The SW40F was much more problematic. The good news is that if your Sigma falls apart or just plain doesn't work there's a really good chance S&W will either fix it or just send you an SW9VE instead.

And $300-325 is pretty normal for the SW9F.

 

[Jim H]

Rest easy, you didn't get screwed. The price you paid was not the lowest, nor the highest, that a used SW9F will sell for. So, don't worry any more about the price and go shoot the snot out of it.

However, the seller did lie to you, and with a straight face. Feel free to discuss this with him should you see him again. Perhaps you will be so lucky as to point out the error of his statements to you just as he is about mislead another potential buyer...

 

[2K7]

Friendly Advice....

Hello everyone, I am new to the forum, as I recently purchased an S&W Sigma sw9f...

I recently made an impulse purchase at a gun show. I don't know much about S&W semi-autos, but I know M&Ps are considered great.

I had just gotten done looking at a Sigma sw9ve for $299. I walk down a ways and see an all black similar gun tagged as an M&P for $400. Looking at the slide i see a different model number, sw9f, so I didn't think any thing was off. I asked him about it and he said it was an earlier model M&P, again no reason to doubt him. Sooo, I end up paying $325 OTD with only one magazine. I get home and begin to research sw9f and realize he lied to my face.

It appears that the Sigma is not too bad, beyond a tough trigger, but I shoot my wheelguns DA so I don't care. My question is this...

DID I GET SCREWED TOO BAD MONEY-WISE??? Will the Sigma be reliable? Can I get mags for less than $30 anywhere? Is the 9f much different from the 9ve, better/worse?

I just feel bamboozled, I guess next time I'll take time to research and not trust people so much...

Thank you all for your responses.

The only person that secrewed you....was YOU!
Research, research, research and be a prepared buyer. You will hear so much ill intended advice at a gun show, it's almost criminal.

In that environment, the uninformed becomes a target. If you make a purchase without doing your homework, like I said, you only screw yourself.

 

[Class III]

The last SW40F I bought was a LEO sell off/trade in with four magazines from KY Imports. I paid $165 and sold it for $225. I made a few dollars and the buyer felt good as he bought below what the other sellers where asking for the same gun with fewer magazines. BTW this was five years ago and prices have gone up since then. $325 OTD with one magazine is not a bad price in todays market.

For magazines check cdnninvestments <DOT> com, KYimports <DOT> com or 44MAG <DOT> com.

Class III

 

[rvanderg84]

Not AS upset anymore...

Well...I went and put 200 rounds (Rem UMC) out of the Sigma as fast as I could without "rapid fire" and I was pleased. I did have 3 failure to feeds (each toward the end of the mag), but I am gonna polish the feed ramp. It was cheap ammo too.

Regardless, I am going to this weekend's gun show, hopefully I will see the seller again and I am going to give him three options. 1. Buy it back at full price, 2. Give me $75 (since I would've never paid more than $250 for a used version of what was selling for $299 across the aisle), or 3. I will stand by his table and tell every passer-by and potential buyer what he did to me.

Whadya think??

Thanks everyone for your help!

 

[Bearcat]

Well...I went and put 200 rounds (Rem UMC) out of the Sigma as fast as I could without "rapid fire" and I was pleased. I did have 3 failure to feeds (each toward the end of the mag), but I am gonna polish the feed ramp. It was cheap ammo too.

Regardless, I am going to this weekend's gun show, hopefully I will see the seller again and I am going to give him three options. 1. Buy it back at full price, 2. Give me $75 (since I would've never paid more than $250 for a used version of what was selling for $299 across the aisle), or 3. I will stand by his table and tell every passer-by and potential buyer what he did to me.

Whadya think??

Thanks everyone for your help!

Bad idea. As a previous poster noted, you need to do your homework before buying any used gun. I'd see if he would give you a refund. If not, go quietly away and realize that you learned a valuable lesson. You have to take responsibility for your actions (and he should be responsible for his).

 

[colt3374]

Buyer Beware, It's a Smith, shoot it.... if it fails, S&W is good for a repair or replace.. It's all good. If ya really hate it sell it... Good Luck

 

[Nick the Enforcer]

Here is my two-cents worth. The orig. SW40F/9f [gen. 1 Sigma] had its flaws like any other firearm. I was an SP in the USAF in 88-92 and we occasionally had an issue with the M9/92F's. As an FFL when the Sigma came out I was impressed and I shot one side-by-side with a Glock and personally preferred a Sigma. I sold approx 24 [12 9mm's /12 40's] never had any customer issues that were brought to me. They are high quality guns and the magazines are top-shelf. I kept one of the 40's for myself and it has been flawless. The only mods I have done is polish the feel ramp and replace plastic recoil rod with a steel one. Still using original spring, though I'm looking at a 1lb stiffer than factory from Wolff Springs. Sure I wish I could get an extended slide lever and trigger tune kit and wish it had a reversable mag release but it is what it is. The ones that followed, variants with the silver slides are in my opinion inferior quality [though I'm not saying they are bad] just had to be reworked as part of the Glock lawsuit conditions. That is why they are cheaper. The Gen. 1 variants are basically a S&W Glock copy. This line then evolved into the M&P line that add a rail and some Amb. control features [basically a modern Gen. 1 Sigma] Which is a firearm I would recommend. In the end it comes down to personal pref. and how much $ you have to blow. I just purch. a NIB/unfired SW9F w/2 mags for $410 which I feel is a good price. I will do a few basic mods and put away for my son until he is 21. Considering Glocks are $700 plus, Sig's are $800 plus, H/K's are $900 plus [if you can find ANY right now] Gen. 1 Sigmas are a super deal esp. a NIB one. a used one may be ok if you can see/finger it first. JMO/God Bless America and our Veterans [past & present]

 

[Dann Fassnacht]

Aside from not getting a sale receipt or at-least something with the sellers name, address, & phone number, you did ok. You DO need AT-LEAST one other magazine, 'tho.

 

[orvillelee]

Not a terrible situation that you were in, however, the fact of the matter is, he LIED to you. If you do see him again, confront him about it. Don't make yourself out to be an ***. Just let him know, that you know.

 

[TripPowers]

Sorry buddy ...

 

[varmint243]

my advise - shoot it, enjoy it, and move on.

Anything you do to try to get back at the seller at this point will only increase your feelings of frustration.
What is the cliché ? "living well is the best revenge"

 

[ken158]

The only person that screwed you....was YOU!
Research, research, research and be a prepared buyer. You will hear so much ill intended advice at a gun show, it's almost criminal.

In that environment, the uninformed becomes a target. If you make a purchase without doing your homework, like I said, you only screw yourself.

Buyer beware - know the item you are searching for and be ready to buy or walk. They made plenty of all this stuff... In these days and times, I would think that if you start something at or in a gun show, you will drawn attention which will get both of you thrown out and banned from future shows. Happened to a buddy of mine over something real silly...

 

[Old cop]

Every gunshow I've attended (not that many) has been staffed w/uniformed LEO's for security. If you confront the seller the way you indicate you might get yourself arrested (disorderly conduct, trespass, etc.). Not worth it IMHO.

I am sorry for what happened but it is sage advise to just walk away if the seller does not refund your money.

 

[GKC]

If you do see him, I would NOT confront him in a hostile manner. As others have mentioned, it may get you in trouble, rather than resolve the issue. Giving him a LOT of benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't know the difference...and if he is an honest man, he'll give you something back ($50 or $75 would be nice, IMO.)

If he doesn't, walk away. It's not the end of the world...no one likes to be taken advantage of, but it's a lesson learned. If you don't have one now, maybe before you go to the next show, get a smart phone with internet access, and if you see something you like but don't know for sure what it is, google it.

 

[Ranch Hand]

GKC just told the best advice there is/.,..Since the WHOLE world lives in their phone, Goggle stuff Works for me... Which from what I am gathering from everyone you can sell it and break even,. So hey sounds ok to me..
BTW-- I own a Sigma .40 sve with 2500-3000 rounds thru it NO ISSUES YET OF ANY KIND (so far)... I'm afraid if I were only able to afford 1 gun irregardless of cost it would be this one.. That includes all the expensive ones too.. This is a self defense weapon. with a Crimson trace on it I put 14 rounds in a 2 inch circle at 21 ft. ( 7 yds) what more is there to say????
RH

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