Hollow Point vs. Round-Nose Ammo

[dbell54]

In the 1986 Miami FBI Shootout, the main bad guy (Platt) was shot by one of the agents (Dove), whom he later killed. Dove's shot penetrated to within an inch of Platt's heart. IIRC, the FBI was using HP rounds. Maybe if it had been a hardball or a .45 instead of a 9MM, that extra inch would have been covered and the shootout would have ended with two bad guys dead. Not two FBI agents and two bad guys dead. This is why the FBI tried to go to 10MM.

Platt and Mattox were both shot to hell and back and still managed to carry on until Ed Mireles took them both out at nearly contact range with his .357. That he was able to end the fight with his left arm blown nearly off was a testimony to true grit.

 

[AJ]

Platt and Mattox were both shot to hell and back and still managed to carry on until Ed Mireles took them both out at nearly contact range with his .357. That he was able to end the fight with his left arm blown nearly off was a testimony to true grit.

A long time ago I was a USMC Combat Pistol Instructor, I also went to the FBI Firearms Instructor's Course. I had two films about this shootout that I used. One was the FBI's film on what happened, with the Agents that were involved discussing it. The shootout sequence was very dry to watch. The second movie was "In The Line
of Duty:The FBI Murders" In the Line of Duty: The F.B.I. Murders (TV Movie 1988) - IMDb . Yes, it is a movie, but the shootout is almost spot on in accuracy. I urge all to watch it.

 

[Jon651]

Groo here
The Fmj was NOT designed to wound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was designed to FEED and FUNCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Many forget this in their search for the "perfect " carry load...
First the round MUST feed and fire....
Then it MUST go where you send it......
Then it Must drive deeply enough to get to the good stuff!![ different summer and winter due to clothing]
After that ,, if it deform , does or does not go through is secondary.
It MUST do the first three or it does nothing.....

I'm the OP for this thread and I stepped away for a little while and haven't checked it, but I came back today and thought without a doubt you had the very best answer of everything I've read here!

Back in the day when I was teaching EMTs and Paramedics I would always begin my lecture on treating burns by asking the class what was the first step they thought they needed to take. Many gave the common answer to all treatment questions - secure the airway; some answered with choose wet or dry dressings depending on the degree and extent of the burns; one would invariably say "pain control" or some other thing that was way down on the list.

The correct answer, however, was "First, put out the fire"!

 

[woodsltc]

The only time that I use FMJ is when I am required by circumstances to carry something smaller than usual. For example, .32 ACP out of a KT P32. Those HPs won't expand, and possibly won't penetrate enough. So, while the FMJ won't expand in that caliber, it will penetrate better.

Agree. I don't have a .32 ACP, but I think the same can be said for .380 ACP HP's not expanding....so I carry FMJ's in my Kahr P380.

Don