I read in USA Today that the Dept of Homeland Security has lost almost 200 firearms including rifles shotguns and pistols. Some of the arms were found in public restrooms,fast food places,and unlocked vehicles. Of course some of these guns ended up in criminal hands. In my opinion the indivual should have to bear the brunt of replacement cost at a mimimum and also be subjected to disciplinary action.
Homeland Security lost Guns
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ridewv
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I'm in agreement with you.
snakeman32
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There is no excuse for something like that. That should be an automatic termination.
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C'mon.
I have dealt with TSA people that are competent and accomodating.
Just like everywhere else in life, some are good, some are not as good.
I have dealt with TSA people that are competent and accomodating.
Just like everywhere else in life, some are good, some are not as good.
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But they are in charge of protecting "Our Homeland" and they are unable to keep up with their guns? I'm very comfortable with that fact, are you?
But they are in charge of protecting "Our Homeland" and they are unable to keep up with their guns? I'm very comfortable with that fact, are you?
"Some of the arms were found in public restrooms..."
Which illustrates why public restrooms ought to be required by law to be equipped, at the very least, with coat hooks and small shelves or wire baskets where you could put a gun, cell phone, etc., while using the facilities. I'm surprised more guns aren't lost this way (maybe more than I think --- how would we know?).
Which illustrates why public restrooms ought to be required by law to be equipped, at the very least, with coat hooks and small shelves or wire baskets where you could put a gun, cell phone, etc., while using the facilities. I'm surprised more guns aren't lost this way (maybe more than I think --- how would we know?).
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charlie sherrill
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When you have that many guns issued (does 180,000 sound right?) it stands to reason some of them will come up missing. I didn't see any stats but some of these guns were taken in burglaries from safes and lock boxes. As far as the ones left in restrooms are concerned, maybe they should start issuing lanyard rings.
When I was a young patrolman I was called to a gas station where the owner presented me with a gun and gunbelt that someone had left in his restroom. When I saw how big the belt was I immediately knew who it bolonged to. He had just gotten off work and hadn't said or noticed anything about his missing gun. When I came to work the next day he had a new gun and belt and still had not said anything about the missing old one. I kept it for over a week and then slipped it onto the front seat of his unlocked patrol car. He never said anything about it and I never told him what I had done.
When I was a young patrolman I was called to a gas station where the owner presented me with a gun and gunbelt that someone had left in his restroom. When I saw how big the belt was I immediately knew who it bolonged to. He had just gotten off work and hadn't said or noticed anything about his missing gun. When I came to work the next day he had a new gun and belt and still had not said anything about the missing old one. I kept it for over a week and then slipped it onto the front seat of his unlocked patrol car. He never said anything about it and I never told him what I had done.
There are a couple of ways to prevent this.
If the restroom has a clean floor, leave the gun in the holster and lay the belt at your feet, where you would have to step over to exit the stall.
Another is to hang the belt on a hook, or lay it across your lap, and then put the handgun in your shorts, so that when you pull up yore britches, you either notice the extra weight, or the gun slides down on the floor. Either way, you shouldn't forget it.
I always adjust the belt while checking my gigline in the mirror before exiting the restroom. Check the fly too. 'Course, I've been wearing a Sam Browne since 1976. It's second habit by now.
If the restroom has a clean floor, leave the gun in the holster and lay the belt at your feet, where you would have to step over to exit the stall.
Another is to hang the belt on a hook, or lay it across your lap, and then put the handgun in your shorts, so that when you pull up yore britches, you either notice the extra weight, or the gun slides down on the floor. Either way, you shouldn't forget it.
I always adjust the belt while checking my gigline in the mirror before exiting the restroom. Check the fly too. 'Course, I've been wearing a Sam Browne since 1976. It's second habit by now.
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You don't want to lay it on the nasty floor.
It is simple, really- buckle the duty belt and hang it around your neck.
When you wash your hands, you're almost sure to notice it in the mirror. If you don't, at least you'll still have it when the shift ends.
It is simple, really- buckle the duty belt and hang it around your neck.
When you wash your hands, you're almost sure to notice it in the mirror. If you don't, at least you'll still have it when the shift ends.
bobcat
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Thank you Charlie, one voice of reason. I work for DHS/CBP, yea, we lose guns, burglaries and the occasional stupidity. When I was in the Border Patrol one of my buds had his revolver fall out of his holster while riding a 3 wheeler, luckily we found it, another coworker had his house bugled when he was off duty and lost his duty weapon and some private guns, it happens. I leave mine at work, I have lots of guns at home, I don't need to take the g weapon home, plus I don't like it.
Trust me, there is diciplinary action if you had the means to prevent the loss or theft of your weapon. We are a huge agency, and yes, we have our share of idiots just like any company or agency. I will say however, that as an LEO, I've always been mindful of where my weapon is, and and even how I position it when I talk to folks, so I've never had issue, and yes, nature calls. However, if you are aware, you will realize that you took off your gunbelt off to answer nature's call. I don't like hanging it, because gravity will work it's magic, and the resultant fall and possible accidental discharge will more than ruin your day and your constitutional.
Give us some slack, there isn't an agency, department or company that doesn't have some loss of tools or supplies, no matter what those tools may be. Must have been a damn slow news day if this is the best they can dig up, besides, Tiger was the most important story as we all know.
Trust me, there is diciplinary action if you had the means to prevent the loss or theft of your weapon. We are a huge agency, and yes, we have our share of idiots just like any company or agency. I will say however, that as an LEO, I've always been mindful of where my weapon is, and and even how I position it when I talk to folks, so I've never had issue, and yes, nature calls. However, if you are aware, you will realize that you took off your gunbelt off to answer nature's call. I don't like hanging it, because gravity will work it's magic, and the resultant fall and possible accidental discharge will more than ruin your day and your constitutional.
Give us some slack, there isn't an agency, department or company that doesn't have some loss of tools or supplies, no matter what those tools may be. Must have been a damn slow news day if this is the best they can dig up, besides, Tiger was the most important story as we all know.
snakeman32
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It is not the fault of someone if their house is broken into or something of that nature. I left my duty weapon in one of the lock boxes leaving the jail one night because one of my guys was put out in trouble as I was getting ready to leave. But it was secure and locked up. Thank God for a backup weapon. I have never in all of my years in the Army or as an LEO left a weapon in a restroom or some other public place. I am sure there are disciplinary actions but I think it should be immediate termination if it is pure negligence.
snakeman
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The mental picture of someone finally seeing their rig while washing up made me laugh out loud !!!
stiab
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Do you mean stolen from unlocked vehichles?
I'm sure that a large number of DHS employees are not "gun people." Many of them may never have shot a pistol until they were in the academy.
It is just another tool to them - like a radio or laptop.
It is just another tool to them - like a radio or laptop.
billhud
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"We're from the government and we're here to help you. Oh heck! Where did I put my gun? Have you seen it?"
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feralmerril
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I find it interesting to condem people for memory lapses, yet we have heros like bill jordan who killed a boss through a wall with a empty gun and elmer keith who lost a gun in a bathroom. Are they still your heros? I still like them. I have lived long enough and packed long enough to know no one is perfect.
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