Homeless shower stations.

When a lot of jobs pay less than $20 an hour and an small apartment is over $1500 a month you will have homeless. $20x40=$800 $800x4=$3200 - $800 in taxes leaves $2400, so just $900 left for clothes, car or busses, food, insurance, medical etc.

I know there are a lot of homeless with drug and alcohol problems.There are also system abusers

But, some people just can't make it even working and those are the ones I feel for. The average IQ is 100 and as most state populations do not average that, you can bet your biffy a lot of homeless were not blessed with a lot of mental horse power

How can we claim to be a Christian nation and turn our backs?
 
When I posted this thread it was kinda meant to show the crafty thinking of our elected & appointed officials' way of using the federal money from the covid thing. Nothing more.

Edit ti add: What Steelslaver said, 100%.
 
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Yet we're reminded that feeding wild animals creates dependent animals that can't fend for themselves and/or become dangerous when they demand reparations/handouts.
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It's called welfare.
 
NFrameFred said:
Like it or not, we are our brother's keeper. I long ago struggled to take the view that what I give for the right reason is credited to my ledger, regardless if it is misused, abused or wasted on whoever receives it. I gave it for the right reason . . . they are ultimately accountable for what they do with it - if not in this life then the next.
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I've tried to practice what you've said. I've fed people and put gas in their vehicles so that I know that I'm not enabling any kind of problem by giving money. It's the best I can come up with.
 
I try to be what I call personally socialist. I try to help on a local level and in ways that provide basic needs for local people. Our local food bank, coats for kids. If more people took better care of their communities we would not need the feds to do it.

I do agree that in many ways the current system perpetuates and grows the problems instead of actually fixing them. Just throwing money at this isn't the answer.

The homeless could be building homes, growing food etc. There is honor in that. There is no honor in being handed money. You lose your honor and you will lose everything
 
Apartment rent… immigrants pool together and have a bunch in one apartment sharing the rent and other expenses. Families take in relatives. When they're more "on their feet" with better jobs and income, they get their own place.

The homeless don't do that.
 
We just had this discussion in our "Life Group" a few weeks ago.
Our Father in Heaven tells us to be kind and giving to the poor for you never know a beggar just may be Christ himself testing you? In the past, if I knew I'd be going downtown or to an area I knew would have beggars I'd take a pocket of one's to give out. My conundrum today, with so many making a living out of it, who do you give to?
We all wrestled with this in our group, but all came to the conclusion it just boils down to a judgement call on who "seems" truly needy. You should already be giving 10% of your spoils to a worthy charity or your church, it's not our money anyways, we're just stewards of it.
It's a tuff call and I hate giving to those that choose not to support themselves.
The Good Book also tells us a man that chooses not to work will starve.
 
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Do we give to help ourselves, or give to help others? If it's to help others, then the results matter and just airdropping cash on the homeless camp isn't much help if they're still there the next day for more cash, no matter how good it makes us feel.
 
It is not illegal to be homeless...

...but it is not legal to trespass, harrass, threaten, assault, or rob people.

It is fine to be compassionate, but one also has to take into consideration that can only go so far and that people who need help have to want help. The ones I've dealt with don't want help. The panhandlers often make more money in one week than many of us do in a month if they get a good intersection.

Most of the homeless I have dealt with fall into four categories, narcotics/alcohol abusers, mental cases, legitimate (very few), and what used to be called "bums". The majority fall into the first two categories. I've seen missions provide these people such things, only to have to kick them out for theft, fighting, drug/alcohol, and so on.

Setting up public shower stations only exasterbates the problem; it is not anywhere close to a fix. Wait until some of these homeless take up squatters rights in these showering facilities.
 
steelslaver said:
I try to be what I call personally socialist. I try to help on a local level and in ways that provide basic needs for local people. Our local food bank, coats for kids. If more people took better care of their communities we would not need the feds to do it.

I do agree that in many ways the current system perpetuates and grows the problems instead of actually fixing them. Just throwing money at this isn't the answer.

The homeless could be building homes, growing food etc. There is honor in that. There is no honor in being handed money. You lose your honor and you will lose everything
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I saw a bumper stick just yesterday that said " everybody wants the money, nobody wants the work". Unfortunately it's true.
 
It's not a matter of whether to give/help. It's a matter of HOW to give. Does the help you give empower the receiver or make them dependent? Does the gift lead to dependence or independence? Does it incentivize sloth or does it incentivize being industrious? Does it encourage or discourage? Does it disincentivize the hard worker or the worker that lives on the edge of poverty? Is the help temporary or does it become one's sole plan for survival? A plan that one comes to believe he/she is entitled to?????
 
Some years back, San Antonio did a test program of installing. some indestructible public toilet structures in downtown areas, maybe parks, etc. Fairly quickly it was discovered that there is no such thing as an indestructible toilet. I never saw one, but they were billed as being self-cleaning. I always wondered how that was supposed to work.
 
Years ago, a man designed a toilet that could be installed on a sidewalk and was self cleaning. DWalt, I don't know how that works either. The kicker was, he was willing to GIVE them to NYC free of charge. All he asked was to be able to sell advertising in them. But there was an issue. The city couldn't use them if they weren't handicapped accessible. He told them if he made them that big, people would live in them. And therefore the project died.
Now, one thing that Portland has done well is known as the Portland Loo.
Portland Loo - Wikipedia
But, even with all the features meant to avoid graffiti and drug use, they still happen. Other cities have reported a rise in police calls and crime after they went in. The thing is, people are gonna do those things no matter where they are. But if they stop a repeat of me coming around a bend in the park trail to find a guy squatting, not in the bushes that surrounded us, but in the middle of a small grassy area in plain view of the trail, smiling and waving as he drops a deuce, I'll be extremely grateful.
 
No one in their right mind chooses to live that way.A few weeks ago a local paper had a story about a developmentally disabled man being attacked by a homeless guy in Boulder. I knew the victim years ago as the son of a client.He was badly injured. Just a sweet naive kid in a man's body who never hurt a soul who had overcome a lot just to walk,ride a bike and hold a job. The guy who attacked him has a long history of crazy behavior and is back on the streets. The difference is that Marius comes from a well off and successful family. The guy who attacked him is obviously paranoid schizophreniac and for whatever reason doesn't have any support (I've known a few who do) it's just sad and the level of drug and alcohol abuse in this country isn't helping anything.
 
The homeless suffer from the same thing gun owners, hunters, skate boarders, hot rodders and many other groups do. The bad ones ruin it for everyone.

I know on young couple from my wife's work, they were living in an RV, and got involved with habitat for humanity, they now have a small house, he went to work at Home Depot and is now a manager and a volunteer fireman.

I know lots of homeless are trash, but I also think some people have a string of bad luck and some of them just give up.

I also believe that in order to receive benefits you should have to produce something. pick up trash, shovel snow, work in the parks etc. CCC projects and camps worked. They fixed trails in national parks, helped built dams, they panted over 3 billion trees, fought fires, worked to stop soil erosion etc.
 
DWalt said:
Some years back, San Antonio did a test program of installing. some indestructible public toilet structures in downtown areas, maybe parks, etc. Fairly quickly it was discovered that there is no such thing as an indestructible toilet. I never saw one, but they were billed as being self-cleaning. I always wondered how that was supposed to work.
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They have public toilets in Paris, where they had much trouble with people making their home inside, or being used by drug addicts to inject.
They now have timers on them where the doors open in, IIRC, 15 minutes. So, do your thing quickly or face the crowds.
After the doors open, they close quickly for self cleaning. then repeat. According to our tour guide you don't want to be inside at that time.
 
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I'm a bit ambivalent about the homeless. Some I feel for, the vast majority, I don't. Back in the day, 30 or so years ago, most if not all of the homeless were older men and a few bag ladies. Now, everywhere I look, the homeless are young folks, 20s-30s, working aged who are drugged zombies. They'll say/do anything to get money for their addiction. I don't feel sorry for those people at all.

The city of ABQ spent like $5 million for a tiny home village that was mostly empty for a couple of years because there were rules for living there. One of them was that they had be sober.

Then there was Coronado Park. it was a park that the homeless took over. They destroyed it. Debarked the trees and killed them.Kind hearted folks were giving them clothes - they ended up all over the place - like trash. Folks were bringing them bagels and donuts and they ended up all over the park and in the street. It was an open air drug market, crime ridden and couple of dead folks thrown in for free. The taxpayer was on the hook for $700K a year just to clean and maintain the place.

The way I look at is: why should I care about them if they don't care about themselves?

They've already got enough of my tax money. Enough is enough!

I won't go into the issues I had working right next to a homeless shelter.
 
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