How many states require NO (ZERO) training to legally carry concealed?

[gmiller0737]

Pretty close to nothing in Florida today. 2 hour class, fire 3 shots in the trailer-done. 30 years ago was 4 hrs classroom-lunch-4 hours range time. Joe

A Florida Hunter Safety Course will Do as Well as Military Service to satisfy training for A Florida Permit.

 

[Muss Muggins]

You don't need a permit to carry. You need one for CONCEALED carry. However, once you're inside a vehicle it's considered concealed and therefore you need a permit.....or you must unload your gun and separate ammo and weapon.

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Yet another reason I like the Show Me State. No permit required for carrying concealed in your vehicle, which has been legal ever since the original CCW bill passed back in '03. Step outside still concealed and you need a permit.

 

[DD357]

I don't understand the purpose to this discussion. Let me give you Utah as an example.

When Utah first started issuing Concealed Firearms Permits you had to demonstrate proficiency with the type gun you intended to carry, revolver or automatic. If you wanted to be able to carry both you had to qualify with both. The requirement over time was reduced to simply qualifying with something, then to no shooting requirement whatsoever. In my opinion this last is the most reasonable situation!

Think about this, what is more important, to be able to shoot well, or to know when and under what circumstances shooting is permissable? I don't think there is any question which is most important! Several states have obviously come to the same conclusion. The ability of most people, well trained included, goes to hell when confronted with an actual shooting situation anyway!

To answer the original question, I don't believe there are any states that have absolutely no training requirements! So far as I know every state requires some training in legal issues! I hope that is what you were really asking! Of course there are a few strictly "Constitutional Carry" states that obviously have no training requirement. It would make sense if they had a requirement for training in legal issues though!!!

Why have some states rescinded reciprocity with Utah? Simply because they still have a shooting requirement and Utah doesn't. Why should this make any difference?

"I don't believe there are any states that have absolutely no training requirements!"

And you would be wrong, we have absolutely none.

 

[DD357]

I don't see why it's amazing. It's amazing to me that some states license a right. So training, to get a license to exercise a right makes zero sense to me.

The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the constitution. There's no training required for the other rights.

I too absolutely believe that requiring a license is a gross infringement of our rights.

 

[Arik]

Yet another reason I like the Show Me State. No permit required for carrying concealed in your vehicle, which has been legal ever since the original CCW bill passed back in '03. Step outside still concealed and you need a permit.

And here you don't need a permit to step outside unless you're in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. Even that is technically wrong but it's a whole other can of worms

However since I carry concealed it doesn't matter if I'm in a car or out of a car.

Every state has its own little quirk. Aside from a few weird rules like that one it's pretty friendly gun state.....all things considered. Shall issue, no classes, no limit on ammo or type of carry ammo, NFA friendly (but this does vary by individual Sheriffs), no waiting periods, ....etc...

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[NYlakesider]

I believe we have forgotten the most ironic state of all, the Demokratik Republik of New York. Extremely difficult and lengthy process to get a concealed permit. Totally dependent on the attitude of the county sheriff. And yet if you pass the background test, no training is required to get your permit.

Possibly in your county! I was one of the first certified civilian NRA instructors authorized to teach the pistol permit safety course in my county back about 1976, which you had to have to get a permit. When I got my permit in 72 there were no requirements.

I have a feeling you live in a very rural county, the more populist counties especially if they have a big city in them are much more strict!

The county I now live in you have to take a much longer and more involved both in time and money to get a permit.

Our sheriff & new judge is now letting people take a course (expensive) to get the restriction placed on most permits removed so they can have a NON restricted carry permit. The shooting quals are very similar to what the retire cops have to do for that special carry permit they can now get!

 

[w8d4it]

I have relatives in Ontario County. Both life long residents, both well known, well respected successful businessmen. One has had his permit for ages and there was no test. The second just got his permit. Despite the fact he has been living in Ontario county longer than the sheriff (and probably better liked) it took him a year to get a permit. A YEAR. What a joke. And then no test. Just a back round check. Then of course you have the NY ridiculous waiting period to buy a handgun. And the liberals wand further restrictions to be "safe". Now I live in Texas. When I first got my concealed license I had to pass a written test AND a proficiency test.

 

[CATI1835]

I'm not totally sure all the information here is correct. AZ for instance. Per the AZ DPS website under general requirements:

General Eligibility

Applicants must:

... complete a firearms safety training program pursuant to ARS §13-3112.N.


I believe the VA information is incorrect also. I have non-residents permits for both states and both required me to show proficency of some form (DD214, other CCL, etc) and proof of safety training.

 

[CATI1835]

Just looked at VA. Requirements from the State Police website:



Documentation of Proof of Handgun Competency - Section 18.2-308.02

The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence:

Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state;
Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;

In my mind, this is NOT zero, no training required. I do know AL requires nothing of its residents.

 

[Smoke]

I'm not totally sure all the information here is correct. AZ for instance. Per the AZ DPS website under general requirements:

General Eligibility

Applicants must:

... complete a firearms safety training program pursuant to ARS §13-3112.N.


I believe the VA information is incorrect also. I have non-residents permits for both states and both required me to show proficency of some form (DD214, other CCL, etc) and proof of safety training.

In Arizona the permit is optional

 

[eb07]

Now, with Mississippi a/o July 1st, that there are nine, or ten if we include Arkansas, states that have permitless carry, how many do not require any training for legal concealed carry?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry

PA and GA do not have any training requirement for issuance of a permit. That makes at least 12 states. Any more?

Ken

Good because I see nothing about paying the government for your rights in the Bill of Rights....

 

[K Frame Keith]

PA has Zero training requirement. Clean background checks required.

 

[CowboyKen]

After looking into Arkansas I decided it is too iffy. So my count is now at sixteen states in which a person may legally carry a concealed firearm without having been required to have any prior training.

They are the NINE states that allow (or will soon allow) concealed carry without a permit: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho (effective July 1, 2016; residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Vermont, West Virginia (effective June 5, 2016)[5] and Wyoming;

And seven states that do not require any training to issue permits: Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, South Dakota and Washington.

I think this is both accurate and complete. Anyone else?

I am more then a little surprised at how little thread drift there has been here.

Again. thanks to all of you who have helped and/or commented.

Ken

 

[F75gunslinger]

I have relatives in Ontario County. Both life long residents, both well known, well respected successful businessmen. One has had his permit for ages and there was no test. The second just got his permit. Despite the fact he has been living in Ontario county longer than the sheriff (and probably better liked) it took him a year to get a permit. A YEAR. What a joke. And then no test. Just a back round check. Then of course you have the NY ridiculous waiting period to buy a handgun. And the liberals wand further restrictions to be "safe". Now I live in Texas. When I first got my concealed license I had to pass a written test AND a proficiency test.

Um...there's no waitIng period for NY as far as I know.

You get your paperwork to apply , fill it out, get pictures taken for the permit,in some counties take a firearms safety course, and send it in. The issuing office ( generally either the county sheriff or local police ) do a thorough background check, and then send a request to the bureau of mental health in Albany. They send back the info, and the sheriff puts his opinion on it and sends it to the judge for approval / denial. Most counties estimate 6 months or more from start to approval.

Once you're approved it goes like this ( depending on the county ) . You go the the LGS, find a gun you want, pay the man and he gives you a bill of sale . You then take the bill of sale to the county clerks office, and put the pistol on your permit. They give you a purchase coupon, which goes back to the dealer . You go back, give him the coupon, and walk with the gun. Thats the middle ground.

My county, I can buy 3 purchase coupons from the clerks office. I walk into the LGS, find a gun I want, pay and walk out. I then have 10 days to go to the clerks office and put the gun on my permit.

This is handguns only BTW.

In a couple of more restrictive counties, there is more **** to deal with. They're generally the counties with a larger city where the liberals hold the vote. My buddy has a restriction on his permit, basically given to all who apply and get approved, of on premises, hunting and range travel only. This is in the Syracuse area. In the binghamton area I bought my 460, the guy said that you make the purchase, then send all info to the judge and he has to approve it, then you get your coupon.

None of this applies in the 5 counties that make up NYC .

 

[Moe Mentum]

OK, what's the point of this thread, looks like we are giving the anti gun establishment more info to use against us. Lets not back ourselves into a corner, and have to jump through more hoops than already necessary.

 

[AlHunt]

Um...there's no waitIng period for NY as far as I know.

You get your paperwork to apply , fill it out, get pictures taken for the permit,in some counties take a firearms safety course, and send it in. The issuing office ( generally either the county sheriff or local police ) do a thorough background check, and then send a request to the bureau of mental health in Albany. They send back the info, and the sheriff puts his opinion on it and sends it to the judge for approval / denial. Most counties estimate 6 months or more from start to approval.

Once you're approved it goes like this ( depending on the county ) . You go the the LGS, find a gun you want, pay the man and he gives you a bill of sale . You then take the bill of sale to the county clerks office, and put the pistol on your permit. They give you a purchase coupon, which goes back to the dealer . You go back, give him the coupon, and walk with the gun. Thats the middle ground.

My county, I can buy 3 purchase coupons from the clerks office. I walk into the LGS, find a gun I want, pay and walk out. I then have 10 days to go to the clerks office and put the gun on my permit.

This is handguns only BTW.

In a couple of more restrictive counties, there is more **** to deal with. They're generally the counties with a larger city where the liberals hold the vote. My buddy has a restriction on his permit, basically given to all who apply and get approved, of on premises, hunting and range travel only. This is in the Syracuse area. In the binghamton area I bought my 460, the guy said that you make the purchase, then send all info to the judge and he has to approve it, then you get your coupon.

None of this applies in the 5 counties that make up NYC .

It's staggering to me how far this nation has strayed from the principles of Liberty and Freedom it was founded upon.

 

[03hemi]

"To answer the original question, I don't believe there are any states that have absolutely no training requirements! So far as I know every state requires some training in legal issues!"

When I lived in Alabama, you filled out a CC permit application and turned it into the local sheriff's department. The SO did a background check and then issued the permit. No training was required.

You're wrong, absolutely no, not nothing in GA, just pay and wait for approval. That easy.