How many states require NO (ZERO) training to legally carry concealed?

[alwslate]

No training, class etc required in PA. Once you get your permit, they hand you a pamphlet with some safety rules and do's and dont's.

However, I think anyone who plans to own or carry should take it upon themselves to get educated, know the rules and get some training - especially if you are new at it. It's a very big responsibility.

Short story - About 8 months ago women gets a PA permit, buys a gun, keeps it in her car (never once shot it at the range) and drives back and forth into NJ for her job. Gets stopped tells cop in NJ she has gun and permit - goes straight to jail. Gov Christy pardons her. DUH! I wouldn't have. says right on permit (PENNSYLVANIA) - Pamphlet also says only valid in PENNSYLVANIA. Makes the rest of us look bad. You see the red flags right!?! She Never even once shot the gun for starters - probably doesn't know how it works and probably has no business carrying. This is what I mean about education, training blah blah blah!

Cheers!

Ok, you're talking about one specific individual who obviously
does not represent the majority of gun owners or permit
holders. No, she doesn't make the rest of us look bad, she
makes herself look bad. This subject of required training has
come up before. Required training has rightly been dismissed
as a nightmarish can of worms.

 

[CowboyKen]

Add New Hampshire. We are now at seventeen -- 34% of all states do not require training of any kind. Amazing huh.

Any more???

Ken

 

[BUFF]

I'm still waiting for all
that blood to start running in the streets that the press and the liberal softheads have predicted.

 

[7shooter]

John Lott ( my hero and should be yours too ) has research that came to this conclusion :

" Lott examines the effects of training requirements on crime rate and accident rate. He finds that training requirements have very little effect on both crime rates and accident rates. "

This quote is from Wikipedia but IIRC it was originally published in " More Guns, Less Crime ".

 

[AlHunt]

I would want to know if there's a statistically significant difference in firearms related accident in states with strict training requirements as opposed to states without requirement

You may be certain that, were there even a small difference, the anti-gunners would be shouting it from the rooftops.

 

[AlHunt]

To answer the original question, I don't believe there are any states that have absolutely no training requirements! So far as I know every state requires some training in legal issues! I hope that is what you were really asking! Of course there are a few strictly "Constitutional Carry" states that obviously have no training requirement. It would make sense if they had a requirement for training in legal issues though!!!

Quite a number os states require zero training, Maine included. This is as it should be. Adults are perfectly capable of seeking training without the government requiring it. I don't recall the cites off the top of my head, but when we went through this very discussion last year in Maine, it could be shown that increased numbers of people went looking for training after Constitutional Carry had been implemented in other states. And that people were looking for high quality training, not just the fastest and cheapest thing they could find in order to satisfy some government requirement.

Bottom line? Give adults the opportunity to act responsibly about firearms ... and they will.

 

[AlHunt]

Unless it's changed in the past year, no training prerequisite required in South Dakota for a 5-year cc license. Simply go to the local Sheriff, fill out a form, pay a $10 fee, and wait for the cc license to show up in the mail. As long as your record is clear, your laminated SD concealed carry license will be mailed to you within a couple of weeks. In the meantime, the SO will issue you a temporary paper permit. I love SD.

Well, you're getting there. 10 states now recognize the US Constitution as the law of the land and no longer require a permit. You guys might be able to get your state government to follow suit. All the bad guys in SD already have a gun in their waistband anyway, so why not?

 

[Arik]

"To answer the original question, I don't believe there are any states that have absolutely no training requirements! So far as I know every state requires some training in legal issues!"

When I lived in Alabama, you filled out a CC permit application and turned it into the local sheriff's department. The SO did a background check and then issued the permit. No training was required.

Nothing, zero, nada, zilch, in Pa. You fill out the paperwork, pay the fee and get your permit. In my county it's done within 5 min. Some counties take a few days.

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[ImprovedModel56Fan]

How much training in slander law is legally required before a person may exercise freedom of speech? How much in libel law before exercising freedom of the press? And that's just in the law. What about accuracy? Ability to actually hit what you're shooting at?

 

[fredg19]

I think Kansas has been mentioned... but as of a last year you do not need anything, no permit, no fees, no paperwork, no training... just start carrying concealed.

Kansas still has licensed carry for those that want it... makes sense to get the license if for nothing else to eliminate the 1,000 foot school zone federal rule.

If licensed, the 1,000 foot rule does not apply, if not you are bound by the rule. Technically if you got pulled over in a school zone without the carry license you could get nailed by federal law. Not likely unless you were doing some other crime at the time. But why leave your fate up to the mood of the Police Officer who just pulled you over?

Kansas Permitless Carry - A FAQ from KSRA (Kansas State Rifle Association):

Q7. How does this affect carrying concealed in a school zone?

ANSWER: The provision in federal law that allows concealed carry in school zones is based upon having a concealed carry permit from their state of residence and that state having no prohibition on licensee's carrying. The KS Attorney General ruled on this issue regarding Open Carry, which requires no license, and advised that you cannot Open Carry a loaded firearm in a school zone. The same will apply to Constitutional (Permitless) Carry.

In Federal law, Title 18 USC Section 922(q) is the code that contains the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1995, which prohibits the possession of a firearm in a "school zone". A school zone is defined as the grounds of a public, parochial or private elementary or secondary school and encompasses 1,000 feet of the grounds surrounding the school. The ban on firearm possession does not apply to private property that may be within that 1,000 feet but not part of the school property. You must have a concealed carry permit in order to have or carry a loaded gun in a school zone in Kansas.

 

[AlHunt]

Nothing, zero, nada, zilch, in Pa. You fill out the paperwork, pay the fee and get your permit. In my county it's done within 5 min. Some counties take a few days.

Hopefully, the PA legislature will get the message and squash that permit altogether. 100% of criminals support more restrictive gun laws. Permits are only good for reciprocity with the unenlightened states.

 

[Arik]

Hopefully, the PA legislature will get the message and squash that permit altogether. 100% of criminals support more restrictive gun laws. Permits are only good for reciprocity with the unenlightened states.

You don't need a permit to carry. You need one for CONCEALED carry. However, once you're inside a vehicle it's considered concealed and therefore you need a permit.....or you must unload your gun and separate ammo and weapon.

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[Kid44]

Not even library card is needed in Kansas to carry concealed.

 

[fredg19]

Not even library card is needed in Kansas to carry concealed.

Yes but read my post above about the school zones. You can't hardly go anywhere without driving within 1,000' of a school zone. This is Federal law and I would think would apply to all the states that allow "permitless" or Constitutional carry.

In KS it's ~ $135.00 and 8 hours of training (with a shooting test) for a permit... it is worth it to me... and in KS it is good for 4 years.

 

[AlHunt]

You don't need a permit to carry. You need one for CONCEALED carry. However, once you're inside a vehicle it's considered concealed and therefore you need a permit.....or you must unload your gun and separate ammo and weapon.

I understood.

 

[CS45Fan]

Ok, you're talking about one specific individual who obviously
does not represent the majority of gun owners or permit
holders. No, she doesn't make the rest of us look bad, she
makes herself look bad. This subject of required training has
come up before. Required training has rightly been dismissed
as a nightmarish can of worms.

If you read my post carefully - I never stated training should be "required". What I said and I quote "However, I think anyone who plans to own or carry should take it upon themselves to get educated, know the rules and get some training - especially if you are new at it. It's a very big responsibility.."

And yes it only takes 1 moron to screw it up for the rest of us. Feel good anti-gun politicians jump all over that as well as the liberal media!

 

[johngalt]

Yes but read my post above about the school zones. You can't hardly go anywhere without driving within 1,000' of a school zone. This is Federal law and I would think would apply to all the states that allow "permitless" or Constitutional carry.

In KS it's ~ $135.00 and 8 hours of training (with a shooting test) for a permit... it is worth it to me... and in KS it is good for 4 years.

I thought I read that one of the western states, maybe Wyoming, addresses this by stating that for the purpose of complying with the federal school zone law, all residents are deemed licensed to carry. Supposedly that nullifies the law. Who enforces it anyway?

 

[w8d4it]

I believe we have forgotten the most ironic state of all, the Demokratik Republik of New York. Extremely difficult and lengthy process to get a concealed permit. Totally dependent on the attitude of the county sheriff. And yet if you pass the background test, no training is required to get your permit.

 

[Krogen]

Add New Hampshire. We are now at seventeen -- 34% of all states do not require training of any kind. Amazing huh.

Any more???

Ken

I don't see why it's amazing. It's amazing to me that some states license a right. So training, to get a license to exercise a right makes zero sense to me.

The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the constitution. There's no training required for the other rights.

 

[F75gunslinger]

I believe we have forgotten the most ironic state of all, the Demokratik Republik of New York. Extremely difficult and lengthy process to get a concealed permit. Totally dependent on the attitude of the county sheriff. And yet if you pass the background test, no training is required to get your permit.

Actually, it isn't as bad as you make it sound. Depending on the county, some make you take a course, some don't. The county sheriff has little to do with an actual decision regarding whether you get the permit or not. They are just the ones doing the background checks. And again, depending on what county,the judge generally determines what type of permits he'll let folks get. Its supposed to be either concealed or on premises,but different judges have added all kinds of dumbass rules in the more liberal counties.