StarmanFR
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Hi there,
I am french, ex french army, proud owner of SW M27-2 5“ (1975), SW M27-2 6,5" (1986), SW MP15 sport2 and soon SW 659.
I 've been asked by some of you to explain how we can get firearms in France. Here is the real fight.
1- go to range club and get licence for sport shooting, your id will be enter to the firearms prohibition register. If you failed (you did something wrong in the past??) evertying stop here, no more chance for you, never ever.
2- Go to your doctor and ask a sport Certificat (he can refuse if he detect something wrong in your capacity to hold a gun, physically or mentally). If you dont get it everything stop here for you definitely.
3- spend at least 2 month at the 11 yards range with Pellet pistol,
4- Go to see a doctor for a psychiatric analysis & comportemental (the last one is clearly to detect how is dramatic or not you religious conviction...) and ask him to sign your licence, If you dont get it everything stop here for you definitely. not more chance
5- Back at the range you are officially member of the French sport shooting federation.
6- you must do 13 shooting session (only 1 per day) with your shooting director (if he consider your score is not good enough, then come back to step 5.)
7- If the members of the club think your attitude is not compatible with shooting (weird religious conviction -> what ever your religion his) or your behaviors with security rules is not compatible with the rules everything stop here for you definitely. no more chance and you are banned from the range and licence is cancel for ever.
8- You must do a test control made of 20 questions regarding security and behavior. If you failed, come back to step 6.
9- You ask for the "FAVORABLE Form" and fill it. You mention the caliber you want to buy for 12 calibers maximum (this can be change later at the gunsmith) and it will be sent to the federation with secret personal notes that your range director wrote about you.
10 - After 2 weeks, you'll get the answer. If ok got to step 11, If you are not approved everything stop here for you definitely.
11- The city house firearms department will investigate your files (which has to includes invoices for a safe for the guns and a safe for the ammunitions, including triggers guard lock invoices for every firearms), they will also investigate your past, bank details, taxe details, if everything is ok go to step 12, If you dont get the approval everything stop for you definitely. Only one single small doubt from the government guns department and you are out ! no more chance (this takes 2 months)
12- Your files has been transferred to police department: At this time things are getting serious. You went through the terrorist database, The police checks your criminal record, your acts of violence, made to the public order, in addition a neighborhood survey is made on you, sometimes even your bosses are called to give their impressions on you (the acquisition of weapons is never mentioned), I myself have seen police officers searching my garbage ... A friend of mine has to get an interview with police officers to justify his desire to get a firearms. IF you failed at this step, you are out definitely. This will take an other 2 months to get the answer.
13- Finally after approximately 13 months of the long period since you went to the range the first time you have your firearms owning detention form and you run to your local. Believe me or not, if the seller has just a single doubt on you, he keep your licence and you are out definitely . no guns no more chance.
14- finally YOU THINK you own your precious firearms... but you are wrong They still belongs to the Government and you can USE them for 5 years only. Then if you want to keep them, please make sure to renew every year your licence, please do your TEST shooting every 3 months, and please after 4 years and 5 month come back to step 9 to renew you ownership firearms government form.. IF NOT you have 3 months to sell back all of your guns to a gunshop, if you don't do it That's a 5 year sentence and a $100,000 fine.
15- AT ANY TIME police officers can come and visite your home and check how the firearms at stocked. If they are not in the safe with the guard trigger lock.. guess what? YOU ARE OUT for ever. If the firearms are not at the address your list in the government form, you are out for ever AND JAIL will wait for you..
Also, this official document in no way authorizes you to carry a weapon on yourself. You are only allowed to move with it between your home and the range, or between your home and your gunsmith. During your travels, your weapons must be secured and cannot be used immediately (raised, bolt removed when possible and of course trigger locks installed and ammunition cannot be transported in the same bag. Any transgression to these rules will void your possession of weapons.
I am very pleased that France applies such a restrictive rule for anyone wishing to buy a weapon. It avoids a lot of problems, it avoids mass murders, and keeps anyone with a discreet criminal background away from buying a weapon. Of course a criminal can still buy a weapon on the black market (AK47 since the eastern countries) but it remains very very difficult.
Basically I think that these different measures avoid selling a weapon to a person who seems normal and without a criminal past BUT who could turn out to be mentally, politically or even religiously disturbed and become a murderer. The system is probably not perfect, but to date, I have never heard on the street or in the news of anyone using their personal weapons to kill people or to commit criminal acts.
Moreover, during your period of gun possession, a single second category offence while driving a car (alcohol, dangerous driving) or a notification on your record for delinquency, violence, etc... automatically removes your right to possess a weapon. Believe me, the 250 000 sport shooters in France are the best citizens of France. They will never do anything that could put them out of their passion.
I hope I have been able to put some light on our system.
Denis.
I am french, ex french army, proud owner of SW M27-2 5“ (1975), SW M27-2 6,5" (1986), SW MP15 sport2 and soon SW 659.
I 've been asked by some of you to explain how we can get firearms in France. Here is the real fight.
1- go to range club and get licence for sport shooting, your id will be enter to the firearms prohibition register. If you failed (you did something wrong in the past??) evertying stop here, no more chance for you, never ever.
2- Go to your doctor and ask a sport Certificat (he can refuse if he detect something wrong in your capacity to hold a gun, physically or mentally). If you dont get it everything stop here for you definitely.
3- spend at least 2 month at the 11 yards range with Pellet pistol,
4- Go to see a doctor for a psychiatric analysis & comportemental (the last one is clearly to detect how is dramatic or not you religious conviction...) and ask him to sign your licence, If you dont get it everything stop here for you definitely. not more chance
5- Back at the range you are officially member of the French sport shooting federation.
6- you must do 13 shooting session (only 1 per day) with your shooting director (if he consider your score is not good enough, then come back to step 5.)
7- If the members of the club think your attitude is not compatible with shooting (weird religious conviction -> what ever your religion his) or your behaviors with security rules is not compatible with the rules everything stop here for you definitely. no more chance and you are banned from the range and licence is cancel for ever.
8- You must do a test control made of 20 questions regarding security and behavior. If you failed, come back to step 6.
9- You ask for the "FAVORABLE Form" and fill it. You mention the caliber you want to buy for 12 calibers maximum (this can be change later at the gunsmith) and it will be sent to the federation with secret personal notes that your range director wrote about you.
10 - After 2 weeks, you'll get the answer. If ok got to step 11, If you are not approved everything stop here for you definitely.
11- The city house firearms department will investigate your files (which has to includes invoices for a safe for the guns and a safe for the ammunitions, including triggers guard lock invoices for every firearms), they will also investigate your past, bank details, taxe details, if everything is ok go to step 12, If you dont get the approval everything stop for you definitely. Only one single small doubt from the government guns department and you are out ! no more chance (this takes 2 months)
12- Your files has been transferred to police department: At this time things are getting serious. You went through the terrorist database, The police checks your criminal record, your acts of violence, made to the public order, in addition a neighborhood survey is made on you, sometimes even your bosses are called to give their impressions on you (the acquisition of weapons is never mentioned), I myself have seen police officers searching my garbage ... A friend of mine has to get an interview with police officers to justify his desire to get a firearms. IF you failed at this step, you are out definitely. This will take an other 2 months to get the answer.
13- Finally after approximately 13 months of the long period since you went to the range the first time you have your firearms owning detention form and you run to your local. Believe me or not, if the seller has just a single doubt on you, he keep your licence and you are out definitely . no guns no more chance.
14- finally YOU THINK you own your precious firearms... but you are wrong They still belongs to the Government and you can USE them for 5 years only. Then if you want to keep them, please make sure to renew every year your licence, please do your TEST shooting every 3 months, and please after 4 years and 5 month come back to step 9 to renew you ownership firearms government form.. IF NOT you have 3 months to sell back all of your guns to a gunshop, if you don't do it That's a 5 year sentence and a $100,000 fine.
15- AT ANY TIME police officers can come and visite your home and check how the firearms at stocked. If they are not in the safe with the guard trigger lock.. guess what? YOU ARE OUT for ever. If the firearms are not at the address your list in the government form, you are out for ever AND JAIL will wait for you..
Also, this official document in no way authorizes you to carry a weapon on yourself. You are only allowed to move with it between your home and the range, or between your home and your gunsmith. During your travels, your weapons must be secured and cannot be used immediately (raised, bolt removed when possible and of course trigger locks installed and ammunition cannot be transported in the same bag. Any transgression to these rules will void your possession of weapons.
I am very pleased that France applies such a restrictive rule for anyone wishing to buy a weapon. It avoids a lot of problems, it avoids mass murders, and keeps anyone with a discreet criminal background away from buying a weapon. Of course a criminal can still buy a weapon on the black market (AK47 since the eastern countries) but it remains very very difficult.
Basically I think that these different measures avoid selling a weapon to a person who seems normal and without a criminal past BUT who could turn out to be mentally, politically or even religiously disturbed and become a murderer. The system is probably not perfect, but to date, I have never heard on the street or in the news of anyone using their personal weapons to kill people or to commit criminal acts.
Moreover, during your period of gun possession, a single second category offence while driving a car (alcohol, dangerous driving) or a notification on your record for delinquency, violence, etc... automatically removes your right to possess a weapon. Believe me, the 250 000 sport shooters in France are the best citizens of France. They will never do anything that could put them out of their passion.
I hope I have been able to put some light on our system.
Denis.
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and i am a huge FAN of S&W.
