How would you handle this situation?

The fight is on, strike before he has a chance to process what is happening. He will not be expecting an immediate defensive attack. Suprise is your friend.
 
This was beat to death a couple of months or so ago, do a search on the forum.
 
Sure. Let me try to describe this better. Lets assume the BG is holding the gun with his right hand. If he is left handed we do it different. You would clap your right hand higher than your left. The left hand would be about two inchs lower than your right. Your left hand would bat or knock the barrel or muzzel of the gun down to your right side, hopefully it wouldnt go off, but if it does the bullet should go past your your right side. With your right hand you would follow through with the strikeing motion and your right hand ends up holding the gun like you were going to nail up a wanted poster with it. In any case, the BG cannot hang on to the gun even if he is bigger and stronger than you! If he is holding the gun with his left hand you would want to clap with your left hand higher than your right and follow the motion through with your left.
If he is holding the gun with both hands, you may be screwed!
 
feralmerril said:
Sure. Let me try to describe this better. Lets assume the BG is holding the gun with his right hand. If he is left handed we do it different. You would clap your right hand higher than your left. The left hand would be about two inchs lower than your right. Your left hand would bat or knock the barrel or muzzel of the gun down to your right side, hopefully it wouldnt go off, but if it does the bullet should go past your your right side. With your right hand you would follow through with the strikeing motion and your right hand ends up holding the gun like you were going to nail up a wanted poster with it. In any case, the BG cannot hang on to the gun even if he is bigger and stronger than you! If he is holding the gun with his left hand you would want to clap with your left hand higher than your right and follow the motion through with your left.
If he is holding the gun with both hands, you may be screwed!
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I was shown this move 35 yrs ago by a then newby State patrolman. His varied in that your hands were pointed fingers down and used in a scissors motion. It actually sent the gun flying across the room. I like your method better.


charlie
 
He may shoot me, but he's going to have to do it with my thumbs buried in his eye sockets to the elbow.

I'm not going anywhere.
 
We practiced this with fake guns and real knives in my MA class a couple years ago.

One of my buddies slipped and slashed his arm wide open. :eek:

The class became very real for the rest of us!!

My Master is an 8th degree who teaches LEO's across the country in this kind of stuff... You'd never know it looking at him....
 
I don't take my personal safety or the safety of my family seriously on a part time basis. When I made the decision to carry a gun, I made the decision to carry it, not leave it at home or "forget" it in the safe. I also made the decision to be as proficient with that weapon as I possibly could, and I train as much as the ammo budget allows(and then some;)), so that if some butthole trys to harm us/me, I will be ready.

I cannot fathom "forgetting" to holster up in the morning/evening before leaving the house, and can only advise that someone who "forgets" a firearm may need to take a second look at why they decided to carry one.

OP, you can scenario yourself to death with what ifs, but the truth of the matter is even if you run 10,000 "what would you do if" scenarios at home or in your training, the day you need that gun to possibly defend yourself will play out like nothing you've practiced before. I can promise you that, and I speak from experience.

Be armed, be trained, be ready, be willing, be able, and be alert.
 
I expect to take some flak on this thought: Is there not some danger in "overtraining", obsessing on what if`s etc? By that I mean if you habitualy train, think out senerios, shoot up a mountain of ammo and money, is there some chance you are "overprimed" and when some gray fringe of a situation oppertunes it`self you open the ball when you shouldnt, or more seasoned experianced heads would defuse the situation without a gunfight and all the attendent aftermath of cause and effect?
I have been there and done just that.
 
feralmerril said:
I expect to take some flak on this thought: Is there not some danger in "overtraining", obsessing on what if`s etc? By that I mean if you habitualy train, think out senerios, shoot up a mountain of ammo and money, is there some chance you are "overprimed" and when some gray fringe of a situation oppertunes it`self you open the ball when you shouldnt, or more seasoned experianced heads would defuse the situation without a gunfight and all the attendent aftermath of cause and effect?
I have been there and done just that.
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I get what you're saying, but I respectfully must disagree. I suppose compared to some I might fit the "overtrained" description, but I don't believe there is such a thing when quality training is involved. I don't run what if scenarios, but I train to shoot from cover/concealment, weak hand, shoot while moving, practice reloads under stress etc etc. I also train myself to be aware of my surroundings without looking like the guy constantly scanning the crowd.

In my opinion, those that escalate a situation when it could be defused are usually the undertrained rather than the over, then again, attempting to defuse a situation that is beyond defusing can get you killed too. Again, usually brought on by the undertrained.

Clint Smith once said, "The best example of good gun training is to never get in a gunfight." Most people's situational awareness sucks, and that is what leads them into bad situations to begin with.

Avoidance is key, but there are times when things play out that are beyond our control or avoidance, and we must react accordingly with the proper actions, no two situations will ever be the same, and there is no across the board right way to respond, every situation and problem we face will be unique, and our response should be appropriate. Most will require us to simply walk away, but occasionaly more is required.
 
The assumption here is that the gunman has to obey the same rules everyone does so even though you may bring your gun everywhere there are certain buildings that it is illegal to bring your gun into and in that case you would be at the gunman's mercy. Also people forget whether you forget to take the gun or load it.
 
Gun disarmment is effect if you are close to the person but not if they are at sufficient distance like 15 feet.
 
Mr. Bittenbinder studied the victims and the cases of over 2000 crimes and he came up with a self defense strategm based upon the interviews and those previous crimes. The Fort Collins Police Department did the study on whether a person shot at could be hit. I wanted to find out your source for the information that there is something wrong with the advice from the Chicago PD. Personally I can say anything but it doesn't mean it is true and my argument falters further when I have no sources or evidence.
 
It depends where you are. If the criminal wants to not be caught shooting after a victim isn't the first thing he will do. There are no perfect answers but your chances are better running than go to a second location.
If a police officer trained in shooting his weapon can't hit a moving target why is it thought that the criminal is going to be a lot more proficient with a weapon than a police officer. Of course it is possible but not very likely.
 
sirrduke2010 said:
Mr. Bittenbinder studied the victims and the cases of over 2000 crimes and he came up with a self defense strategm based upon the interviews and those previous crimes. The Fort Collins Police Department did the study on whether a person shot at could be hit. I wanted to find out your source for the information that there is something wrong with the advice from the Chicago PD. Personally I can say anything but it doesn't mean it is true and my argument falters further when I have no sources or evidence.
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check out that departments past public safety announcements ... you'll find some real winners in there.
as for my protest about an inability to hit a running target with a pistol ... you can try this yourself.
Sporting clays is a game shot with shotguns at Mostly" airborne targets .. except for one called the rabbit. The rabbit is rolled along the ground. We changed the game up a bit for the rabbit target. we take that one with pistols and rifles so as to force a transition between arms...
last time out, I had a new shooter with a M&P 40 who had less than 200 rounds throu it, his first sidearm ... if he, a total greenhorn, can smoke that 4" rabbit target bouncing on the turf well over half the time, ANYONE can ... the 3% claim cant even hold up to a 18 year old space cadet rookie.
have yourself some fun poking holes in the 3% claim for yourself;)
 
It's easy to say fight or attack them but in reality the situation is going to be different it they tower over you and have their gun pointed at you in a very solid manner. You will simply get your damn brains blown out. On the other hand whether I fight, fall on the ground and start convulsing or give them my wallet, it's all going to happen RIGHT THERE. No walking around back, no gathering everyone in the back room or the freezer cooler like some store robberies. Bottom line DONT leave home without it. And if you are at an ATM one of your hands should be on the gun with the safety off and finger out of the guard but damned ready. I also pump my gas in a bad neighborhood with my gun in my hand. And I'm not worried too much if someone with a sharp eye realizes I have a gun. I was doing this long before I got a carry permit. Once I was almost robbed and I honestly think the robber read my eyes. He was about to advance on me and my wife and the look I gave him with my semi-auto in my hand, in coat pocket must have sent a strong message. I almost stared a hole through his dumb ***.
 
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