I need forgivness!!

[Phil In Idaho]

After reading of all your love for the Sigma I went out and bought one. Like many of you have experienced I was made fun of and the gun put down. Wow I felt bad. Then I shot it a few times. Wow! Do I feel bad!!! What crap.

So I bought a Ruger P-95 for the DA/SA I believed I wanted. Trigger is better overall (Uhmmm) and nobody made fun of me because it's a Ruger.

I continued to shoot both guns and figured out it was ME and not the Sigma in the accuracy not dept. Now I'm feeling better, my grouping are much better but man that trigger on the Sigma!!!

Kept reading here and compared the trigger to all my revolvers. Ha!! Sigma is a piece of cake. Even against my 28-2 Highway Patrolmen that had a trigger job done.

So yesterday I decided to have a shoot off with myself.
Fired 100 rounds from each six rounds at a time. (Ruger, Sigma, Ruger Sigma...)

Then a 12 round scoring. two strings 6 rds each. Round one Ruger by 2 shots. Round two Sigma by 3 shots. Overall winner Sigma by one shot!! (I know it's not scientific and not enough rounds to compare. blah. blah but it was fun)

However 2 people were eyeing my groups. One guy walked over and asked. "Hey is that the new XD?" No, it's a Sigma!
"Really!!!" A while later another guy comes over and says "How do you like your HK?" "Umm, It's actually a S&W Sigma"
"You're kidding!!!, Wow!"

I,learned two things A) I care way too much what other people think of my guns. (Maybe I need thearpy!) and B) This Sigma is one fine shooting gun. My trigger was never gritty. It's smooth just stiff and long. Now I'm noticing it's easier. Am I just getting used to it or is it really improving???

After more pratice I'll take her to an IDPA shoot and let all the Glock-a-holics choke.

Please forgive me for ever doubting the Sigma!!

 

[bitstream]

I bought mine on July 31st at a gun show. I've only been able to get to the range 4 times. The first time had me seriously questioning the Sigma as I didn't hit squat. The second time I hit the target a bunch, just all low. Third time I started tightening up and even scored one bull. Labor day Monday, I found myself shooting 14 round groups all inside of about 4 inches or so and hit a number of bulls. I am fairly certain its not the gun, it's me. When I do it right, I hit the bull, when my grip/breathing is off, my hits are off. I also found that adopting the IPDA "thumbs forward" grip has seriously improved my shooting. The grip they taught me in combat arms was fine for the M-9, but not for the .40 S&W Sigma

 

[.357 mag]

I went out today and shot 100 rounds with the good old all go no quit alway on time never late look good shoot strait sigma. Just had fun today shoot clay bird at the 30 yard line. Great day!

Welcome to the Sigma club!

 

[Jim H]

Shoot more, doubt less...

 

["JJ"]

It is a work horse!! Welcome to the club!! I put another 400 problem free rounds through mine this week end! However, I think I must have bumped my rear sites or something! It went about three inches right of POA. Made a quick adjustment last night & another 100 rds from 21 ft got me back to making one big hole at POA again!! As far as the trigger geting better with use, I think our finger is just getting "buff"!!

 

[.357 mag]

As far as the trigger geting better with use, I think our finger is just getting "buff"!!

True that JJ!!

 

[leejack]

I replaced the 40lb bionic spring in my index finger with one from a ball point pen. Now, my finger is smooth as glass! LOL!!!!!!!

Just havin some fun guys!!!

Lee

 

["JJ"]

Oh man, (wipe tears from eyes) that caught me off gaurd Lee! I actually loled!! Good one!!

 

[leejack]

LOL! Thanks JJ!

Lee

 

[turndl1]

I've had my 9ve for 3 months now, and last weekend I think I finally found my sweet spot. I was shooting the IDPA plates from 35 yards (I didnt want to push my luck any further). I really love this gun! I have been shooting for close to a year now and I started with a bolt rifle then bought at 15-22. Going between shooting those rifles to this pistol has been very frustrating. But I think I'm pretty comfortable with it now. I'm still going to keep "practicing", even if it is extremely fun.

 

[Phil In Idaho]

ReDUX

Went back to the range with the Ruger P-95 and the Sigma.
Same drill 6 rounds each alternated guns. I shot slightly better with the Sigma. Feels better in my hand. Trigger is long but smooth and I'm getting the feel for her.

This gun conceals well also. Got a Black Widow holster and even under a light shirt it hides well. Slim and light weight.

I do have one question. Do you carry a round in the chamber?? That would mean the gun is always internally cocked right? Is that safe to carry?? Also how long can you leave the trigger essentially cocked and keep it in the house ready to go?

Or do most carry without a round in the chamber and you would need to cycle the slide to be in a firing position?

 

[Jim H]

...I'm getting the feel for her.

Glad to hear that!

..Do you carry a round in the chamber?? That would mean the gun is always internally cocked right? Is that safe to carry??

Well, it's only partially cocked. The trigger must be pulled fully to the rear to provide enough energy for the striker to fire a round, and the trigger cannot be pulled fully to the rear without using a finger, or some other really bizarre occurrence that act just like a finger. It is also drop-safe, and won't fire if dropped. It is safe to carry with a round in the chamber, just keep your finger out of the trigger until you are ready to fire.

...how long can you leave the trigger essentially cocked and keep it in the house ready to go?

You can leave it loaded as long as you want to, or need to. Springs do not fatigue or wear out from sitting over time, they fatigue after thousands of operations.

...do most carry without a round in the chamber and you would need to cycle the slide to be in a firing position?

My bet is no, most do not. I carry with a round in the chamber. It is as safe as a loaded double-action revolver, and that way the gun is immediately ready without fear that you might forget a step...

 

[bitstream]

I do have one question. Do you carry a round in the chamber?? That would mean the gun is always internally cocked right? Is that safe to carry?? Also how long can you leave the trigger essentially cocked and keep it in the house ready to go?

Or do most carry without a round in the chamber and you would need to cycle the slide to be in a firing position?

Yes. If I ever need it, I'm sure I'll need it right now. That's the advantage of this type of gun; round chambered, no extra safety to deal with, just draw and squeeze the trigger. The other side of that, is be sure to train with it as much as you can. You need to be competent and always know the status of your weapon (loaded, chambered, etc.) Make SURE you set a habit of keeping your finger out of the guard unless you are in the act of firing. At all other times, that finger better be outside the guard.

 

[PittShooter]

I don't carry the Sigma too often except in the winter (carry LCP and now S&W BG rest of the year), but when I do it's always with one in the pipe.

To piggyback on bitstream's post, If you are not going to carry with one in the chamber, make sure you do practice as such and add racking the slide to your routine. This needs to be instinctual so in a pressure situation you can cycle and shoot in a hurry.

 

[Phil In Idaho]

O.K. I think I'm confused as to the operation of these striker type triggers. I'm a revolver guy so to me DA is the hammer pulls back then releases forward.

How do these DA auto pistols work? I'm thinking that when you slap in a mag and cycle the slide to load the first round in the chamber that the striker is coiled back ready to fire. Hence springs are tensioned and have pressure on them. Perhaps this is wrong thinking??

Then ONLY pulling the trigger positions the striker and releases it as in a DA revolver. That would mean cycling the slide has nothing to do with positioning the striker.

Please explain.

 

[PDL]

There are several types of double action with the newer semi-auto pistols.

In the Sigma, cycling the slide puts the trigger bar in a position to cock the striker. The slide only has to be retracted about 1/4". it doesn't take fully retracting the slide to do it

Pulling the trigger then moves the striker back into firing position and subsequently releases it.

Other types of double action will more closely resemble a double action revolver.

 

[Phil In Idaho]

Thanks PDL. I had noticed that barley moving the slide back cocks the striker. I thought at that point the striker is pulled into a firing position and tension was being produced on the springs and parts. Then I thought about keeping the gun at ready for Home Defense and thinking that was not so good for the gun.

I now see that I was mistaken. O.K. The Sigma rocks even more.

 

[darksidejetta]

Hmmm....
1 Ruger P-95 + 1 Sigma

Could have got 1 Glock or 1 M-9 or 1 Springfield GI

No forgiveness here

 

[blastfact]

O.K. I think I'm confused as to the operation of these striker type triggers. I'm a revolver guy so to me DA is the hammer pulls back then releases forward.

How do these DA auto pistols work? I'm thinking that when you slap in a mag and cycle the slide to load the first round in the chamber that the striker is coiled back ready to fire. Hence springs are tensioned and have pressure on them. Perhaps this is wrong thinking??

Then ONLY pulling the trigger positions the striker and releases it as in a DA revolver. That would mean cycling the slide has nothing to do with positioning the striker.

Please explain.

It's real simple. Rack the slide and a basic striker fired pistol is ready to go. Pull the trigger ,,, sear moves/drops and striker is released, chambered round goes bang! And then it's all reset for the next trigger input. And it can all seem like a rubber band man action. But if you understand it. A Sigma cam action sear/pistol can present you with clean bull's,,, And i don't mean maybe.

Do not under estimate the 9mm or the Sigma. I like my M&P FS .45. There is no reason to drop my Sigma for a M&P 9mm or anybody else's offering.

Sorry I'm not Lee,,,,, (grin)

 

[Jim H]

Rack the slide and a basic striker fired pistol is ready to go. Pull the trigger ,,, sear moves/drops and striker is released, chambered round goes bang! And then it's all reset for the next trigger input.

Well, at least on my SW40F, the first 1/4" of slide movement 'resets' the striker with an audible click. Trigger motion to the rear then applies tension to the striker, which releases when the trigger reaches the full-rear position. I take advantage of this short 'reset' motion to save me the effort of fully-racking the slide when I dry-fire it. Yeah, I'm lazy...

This 'reset is one of several 'safeties' built into this gun as I understand them:
-At rest, the striker is 'set' but does not with enough spring tension to accidentally fire a round if it is somehow released, such as mishandling, dropping, etc.
- The trigger must pulled to make the joint pivot or it won't move very far back
- The striker won't release and the gun won't fire until the trigger has been pulled all the way back

All of this combined means that very little, besides a finger pulling back on the trigger, will charge and release the striker to fire a round accidentally, making it safe to carry with a round in the chamber.