I told the NRA today I agree with background checks

[USAF385]

The State of PA doesn't. Registration is expressly against PA law.

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The PASP has had I believe 3 PA Supreme Court orders thru the years (fought for by the NRA) to dismantle their registry and destroy the records.

They refused by renaming it a "record of sale database".

Exactly. Their "record of sale" is the illegal gun registry of which we speak.

Oh no.. It's not a gun registration, it's just a list of who bought guns.

 

[HAWKEYE10]

In the USA we have very strict laws against drugs. Some people in countries south of our border are making a living selling us drugs. Anyone who wants a gun can get one, there is just no way to stop it. Even if they pass a law about a universal back ground check whats to stop me from selling a friend a gun. I have plenty of guns that is not registered so what is to stop me from selling a friend a gun. I also have guns that are registered and that doesn't bother me. I say enforce the laws we have and do more about the people that are crazy. Don

 

[s&wchad]

I haven't read all the replies, but I'm not opposed to background checks for private party sales... PROVIDED the following criteria are met:

NO registration of firearms or firearm transactions. Congress has repeatedly prohibited it, because registration is the first step toward confiscations. Ask our friends in the UK and California.

NO need for an FFL to get involved. Private citizens should have access to the toll free NICS number.

A limit on the amount of time that records need to be kept. Five years to seven years sounds like plenty of time to me.

NO charge. We pay enough for Government services already. Licensed dealers don't pay a fee for the NICS check, American citizens shouldn't either.

A waiver for those who are exempt from a NICS check when buying from a dealer - CPL holders and those with a purchase permit.

I seriously doubt it would have any impact on crime, but I'd go along with it. Unfortunately, I doubt the anti-gun crowd would ever agree to terms like these. Their goal is not to insure that buyers are qualified, they're only looking to make transactions more difficult and create a database.

 

[tinkerer]

So next on the hit parade we should require backround checks on those who purchase a 'holy book' as the purchaser might be one who may cause another harm because that is what the purchaser believed the 'holy book' instructed?

Be very careful of what you wish.....

It may just come true...

 

[pownal55]

I remember what gun ownership was like when I was a kid. Walk through town after school with a 22 rifle over my shoulder on my way to the woods and never got a strange look from anybody.
Seeing peoples gun rights gradually erode over the years has taught me something.
We are NOT villians or criminals with anything to be ashamed of. I do not support or agree to further gun control in any way, shape, or form. The anti gun movement in this country is bigger than ever and will not stop until we are completely disarmed.

 

[ladyT]

Such a foolish thing to support background checks in private sales. After ll if I sell a hun to someone who is not allowed to have one I go go jail. Jail is a motivator to keep from selling to the wrong person.

 

[cmort666]

there were a dozen mass shootings last year, something's got to be done.

Ok, here's "something":

1. Forbid the broadcast media from naming the shooter in any mass shooting.
2. Limit the broadcast media reporting on any mass shooting to thirty seconds a day.
3. Forbid the print media from printing the shooters' names and printing more than twenty words on any mass shooting per day.

Then you will have removed the reward for mass murder.

How about it?

 

[tyusclan]

I am amazed at some of the comments I'm seeing from gun owners.

I'm am completely opposed to any new restrictions or regulations, including background checks for private sales. Giving an inch this time will result in their grasping for even more next time.

No way, no how.

 

[moosedog]

"I agreed with background checks."
Brilliant.
You realize of course that this will close the "gun show loop hole" as they call it. You won't even be able to pass along a gun to your kin without a back ground check.

Your papers please. Your papers.

 

[johngalt]

I haven't read all the replies, but I'm not opposed to background checks for private party sales... PROVIDED the following criteria are met:

NO registration of firearms or firearm transactions. Congress has repeatedly prohibited it, because registration is the first step toward confiscations. Ask our friends in the UK and California.

NO need for an FFL to get involved. Private citizens should have access to the toll free NICS number.

A limit on the amount of time that records need to be kept. Five years to seven years sounds like plenty of time to me.

NO charge. We pay enough for Government services already. Licensed dealers don't pay a fee for the NICS check, American citizens shouldn't either.

A waiver for those who are exempt from a NICS check when buying from a dealer - CPL holders and those with a purchase permit.

I seriously doubt it would have any impact on crime, but I'd go along with it. Unfortunately, I doubt the anti-gun crowd would ever agree to terms like these. Their goal is not to insure that buyers are qualified, they're only looking to make transactions more difficult and create a database.

With no records kept and no registration, there is no evidence that a transaction occurred, therefor no evidence that a background check was performed. Under those conditions it would be impossible to enforce. Registration will required as an enforcement tool.

 

[YARDDOG]

No,, I will not in any way support it ; )
Y/D

 

[mkk41]

I remember what gun ownership was like when I was a kid. Walk through town after school with a 22 rifle over my shoulder on my way to the woods and never got a strange look from anybody.
Seeing peoples gun rights gradually erode over the years has taught me something.
We are NOT villians or criminals with anything to be ashamed of. I do not support or agree to further gun control in any way, shape, or form. The anti gun movement in this country is bigger than ever and will not stop until we are completely disarmed.

Yep , most schools had rifle teams with ranges in the basements. Rifle shooting was part of gym class. We had some kids make muzzle loader rifle/pistol kits in shop class.

Sadly , it's not the same world that we grew up in. The whiners and cry-babies have outbred and now outnumber us.

Even the Boy Scouts don't have rifle training anymore.

 

[GaryS]

I like this idea. These are "common sense" restrictions on the First Amendment. It's well known that copy cat murderers avidly watch news coverage of other murders before they commit their own crimes.

By imposing these simple restrictions on the media in the name of public safety, we'll all be more safe.

After all, it's not as if once we allow the government to infringe on the First Amendment a little, they will try to expand on that.

/ironic reply

Ok, here's "something":

1. Forbid the broadcast media from naming the shooter in any mass shooting.
2. Limit the broadcast media reporting on any mass shooting to thirty seconds a day.
3. Forbid the print media from printing the shooters' names and printing more than twenty words on any mass shooting per day.

Then you will have removed the reward for mass murder.

How about it?

 

[Out West]

Listen, even if you approve of background checks for all firearm transactions, including private sales, why in the world would you offer it up to the anti's? The anti's will not stop with your compromise. Their mission is the elimination of guns in the hands of private citizens.

Don't give a damn inch! Its yours, mine and our children's freedom you are surrendering. You will never get it back.

Out
West

 

[rburg]

So what we're learning is everyone who joins the NRA isn't our friend. And very likely everyone who posts here isn't on our side. Just like our media now is closer to Pravda than a free press. The opposition seems well organized these days. It would just be good strategy for them to put moles in our organizations, like the NRA and any other groups like Gun Owners of America and the state groups, too. And there should be no doubt the monitor this forum as well as the other ones that oppose their campaign to repeal or weaken the Constitution.

 

[diamonback68]

So what we're learning is everyone who joins the NRA isn't our friend. And very likely everyone who posts here isn't on our side. Just like our media now is closer to Pravda than a free press. The opposition seems well organized these days. It would just be good strategy for them to put moles in our organizations, like the NRA and any other groups like Gun Owners of America and the state groups, too. And there should be no doubt the monitor this forum as well as the other ones that oppose their campaign to repeal or weaken the Constitution.

Well said Dick and probably very true. If ya ain't wit us, ya be agin us.

 

[cmort666]

So what we're learning is everyone who joins the NRA isn't our friend. And very likely everyone who posts here isn't on our side.

The AHSA fifth columnists have been hard at [so far utterly ineffective] work since the shootings.

Their goals are to dupe the gullible and to simulate support for repressive gun controls. So far they're failing badly on EVERY firearms related message board I've been on.

 

[sambuh]

So what we're learning is everyone who joins the NRA isn't our friend. And very likely everyone who posts here isn't on our side. Just like our media now is closer to Pravda than a free press. The opposition seems well organized these days. It would just be good strategy for them to put moles in our organizations, like the NRA and any other groups like Gun Owners of America and the state groups, too. And there should be no doubt the monitor this forum as well as the other ones that oppose their campaign to repeal or weaken the Constitution.

That's discouraging to see in a public forum where we share something in common...

Also this http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/01/17/nra-president-says-group-supports-stronger-background-checks/

I think it's fairly widely accepted. But I at least respect your opinion. But i side with the NRA, which I'm a member of

 

[darmtn1917]

We have this in CA. - universal background checks on all sales. It started as checks on handguns and then they added registration of hand guns and background checks for rifles(no reg). As of 2014 it goes to registration of both handguns and rifles. By state law a FFL must handle the background check & reg between two individuals for $35 - but guess what - some charge up to $75 since no body in state gov is interested in enforcing the law. Some FFL's feel they don't make enough so they have you wait around for a couple of Hours till they get free time - it goes on and on

Anyone who thinks this a good idea can just come out here and enjoy paying the extra to get a handgun safety card - then pay for DROS(background check) then buy only handguns that are on a safe gun list

Universal background checks are a means of LIMITING the the legal guns available and WILL LEAD TO REGISTRATION- unless someone wants to argue that the criminals/nuts in CA have been disarmed - in which case I'll find a nice "test" in downtown LA.

 

[DeathGrip]

Even the Boy Scouts don't have rifle training anymore.

I know of one troop that does.