IDPA vests

[Harrison]

It was a LOCAL WARM weather match. Here in Missouri we have open carry and liberal Castle Doctrine laws. I am sorry that you have such restrictive laws in Texas. I do like your CCW qualifications, although . It's a model for the rest of the country. Sure beats some of the states qualifications.

The guy in the video whom was my squad leader in my last IDPA flamed me for muzzle sweeping my hand on one of the stages. He told me that if it occurred again he would kick me out. New guy. It gave me something to think about. New guy, new game. I really don't know about your alleged rule infractions that you eluded to. You could check out the stats on the clubs website.

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IDPA's own rules prohibit that vest. Are you saying that because it is a club match you throw the rule book out. The fact that it is a warm weather match is no excuse. What would you do if the weather is hot, shoot shirtless? You will not find weather much warmer than where I live in Texas, except maybe in the deserts of our SW states. The weather is no excuse for throwing the rule book out, nor is the fact that your state allows open carry. I shoot matchs in hot weather, I know all about it. Hundreds or maybe thousands also shoot matches in hot weather and do not throw the rule book out.

My second question was breaking the 180. Essentially consider straight ddwn range to be zero degrees. You can point your pistol 90 degrees each side of 0 degrees. Beyond that you are essentially pointing your pistol to your rear and endagering anyone to your rear. Avoiding 180 breaking is a major element of safety. Like I said from the video it looked like he may have broke the 180. If so, that should be an automatic DQ.

The same for sweeping, it should also be an automatic DQ. You should have been given a match Dq the first time you swept yourself with a loaded pistol, not given a second chance that match. Safety is not flaming. Safety is essential and mandatory, especially when people are running with a loaded, locked and cocked pistol.

 

[Bugs Bunny]

IDPA's own rules prohibit that vest. Are you saying that because it is a club match you throw the rule book out. The fact that it is a warm weather match is no excuse. What would you do if the weather is hot, shoot shirtless? You will not find weather much warmer than where I live in Texas, except maybe in the deserts of our SW states. The weather is no excuse for throwing the rule book out, nor is the fact that your state allows open carry. I shoot matchs in hot weather, I know all about it. Hundreds or maybe thousands also shoot matches in hot weather and do not throw the rule book out.

My second question was breaking the 180. Essentially consider straight ddwn range to be zero degrees. You can point your pistol 90 degrees each side of 0 degrees. Beyond that you are essentially pointing your pistol to your rear and endagering anyone to your rear. Avoiding 180 breaking is a major element of safety. Like I said from the video it looked like he may have broke the 180. If so, that should be an automatic DQ.

The same for sweeping, it should also be an automatic DQ. You should have been given a match Dq the first time you swept yourself with a loaded pistol, not given a second chance that match. Safety is not flaming. Safety is essential and mandatory, especially when people are running with a loaded, locked and cocked pistol.

Rulez Rulez ahh safety the "Golden Rule"

The rules are governed by the the peeps in charge, we had a State Level Match that had a SO who had not taken the SO cert course

see what I mean about rulez LOL

Dropping loaded guns LOL its ok its Tupperware

 

[growr]

Having watched this video several times, my comment is that the RO is in a much better position to call a 180 violation than the camera man. I saw a couple of close calls, but I was NOT the RO.

Nor from the angle we are presented with from the camera did I see a sweep of the shooter onto himself or anyone else.

Being a revolver shooter myself I have had RO's become a little befuddled at the method of dropping out empties and re-charging the cylinder. At what point in the video are you seeing a sweep violation?

Also, the OP is NOT the person shooting in these video's...why is he being chastising for someone else's actions?

Randy

PS. I am an RO in many shooting disciplines.

 

[BobR1]

To start with the original poster was not the shooter in the vidio.
Second he explained that he was new, looking for information.

I watched the vidio clip 3 times closely. I did not detect breaking 180 anywhere. Looked a little close going Left to Right infront of the barracade, but still OK.

The mesh vest. I looked it over pretty well. It being legal is a close call. It looks to have solid panels in the patch pocket areas on both sides extending back to conceal the handgun, and loading devices (Barely).
The shooter was not doing a good job of getting it to cover his handgun at all in the vidio clip. Especially when bending forward.

After watching the vidio 3 times looking the vest over each time. I am guessing this is an Summer IDPA Vest Custom Made to Game the Rules to the Limit. It is probably Legal, but just barely. The shooter had his revolver positioned a little far back for the vest solid panels to really conceal it well when he was standing at rest from what I could tell. With his revolver at 3 O'Clock and standing at rest the vest would probably pass inspection, barely.
The solid panels look to be duel purpose. Conceal the Revolver and Loading Devices, and also to provide a solid area to sweep the vest front back during presentation. The vertical cut outs on the back edges of the Solid Panels would help the vest to swing away from the revolver even more helping with the draw. I think the vest was designed to Game the Rules to the Edge, if not past.

Just My 2 Cents

Bob

 

[checkmyswag]

A button up shirt that I wear for work.

 

[H Richard]

The vest in question is a clay target shooters vest. I have one just like it, that I use to shoot trap & Skeet. It is very flimsy and in my estimation would be a hindrance, although it is much cooler and lets any breeze through. If you want very picky rules and lots of them, IPSC is the game you want. Seems every RO walks around spouting infractions by the numbers. I was RO certified years ago, but lost interest as so many scenarios were too unrealistic. Never had the opportunity to shoot IDPA, I have been to the Chapman Academy to see the Bianchi Cup a few times. It's only 80 miles from my house.

 

[BobR1]

H Richards
I thought about it being a Shotgun Vest first, then I decided with no empty shell bag on the back, it was probably just bult like one.

You are probably correct about it being a Sporting Clays Vest used as a concealment vest in IDPA.

The shooter probably spotted the vest in a Sporting Goods Store or catalog, and the light came on. This will be cool in the Summer, and the solid pockets will work to meet the vest requirements for concealing the Handgun and Loading Devices. This Will Work!

How he is getting around the mesh being a problem is by weighting the pockets. I went back and watched the vidio again. You can tell he has something in the pockets on both sides that has some weight by the way the pockets hang. On the first presentation the vest swept all the way around on his back. The mesh construction is not a problem with the pockets weighted a little. Nothing in the Rules about weighting the pockets, just hold open devices.

Bob

 

[Jim Watson]

The mesh vest in the video is not compliant and would not be allowed at a major match.

I have a couple of different vests, one kind of long and floppy made by a club member's Grandma, needs starch; one regular 4-pocket vest bought on closeout.
I have been known to wear an aloha shirt for concealment in hot weather, even though it does not clear as well as a starched poplin vest.
I had a cheap sport jacket for special occasions, like indoor shooting with the local FBI agents. If I find another with bellows shoulders to allow shooting without binding, I will get it.

IDPA does not have a 180 deg rule. Some places decree it on local option.
The correct approach is to put out traffic cones or other high visibility markers as "muzzle safe points." They might allow a firing arc of 180 deg or 210... or 120, depending on the CoF and the lay of the land.

 

[ric_in_or]

Warm weather - Hawaiian Shirt - 1 size larger than normal.
- bought at a Goodwill

Cool weather - Hoodie. I like the low pockets for easy stash when retaining.