In Praise Of A Glock.

I know that Glocks are fine tools I know that they are tough, reliable and accurate...and they are cheap. (did I mention cheap?) However, there are a heck of a lot of fine tools out there. Glocks are just so damned ugly and that is why I don't own one. They look like something made in N. Korea; functional by no sense of style, grace or dignity. I just have to depend on good looking junk like CZs, Berettas, Colts, and Smith and Wessons. If I ever lose a gunbattle to a Glock, at least I will go out with style ;)
They are ugly. but I have one, so I don't lose the gunbattle. (I hope) ...
 
I know that Glocks are fine tools I know that they are tough, reliable and accurate...and they are cheap. (did I mention cheap?) However, there are a heck of a lot of fine tools out there. Glocks are just so damned ugly and that is why I don't own one. They look like something made in N. Korea; functional by no sense of style, grace or dignity. I just have to depend on good looking junk like CZs, Berettas, Colts, and Smith and Wessons. If I ever lose a gunbattle to a Glock, at least I will go out with style ;)
Glocks were certainly designed with function in mind and not style, although I have learned to like the looks of them, (for what they are).

Frankly, they aren't what I would call cheap though... I recently bought a brand new Glock 17 Gen 5 and it was over $500..It will last me the rest of my life though. It's well worth it to me too. I wanted it because I was offered a part-time armed security gig here in central Florida and I needed something more modern to use.
 
I have owned and gotten rid of a G-17, a G-19, a G-43, a G-45 and a G-48 MOS. Nothing against these Glocks; it's just me. I couldn't get used to the Edward Scissorhands trigger. My favorite was my G-48 MOS, as it felt really good in my hands. But, when a friend fell in love with it and offered me an even-trade for a Browing 1960 Hi Power mde in Belgium, I could not resist. It even came one original magazine with the aluminum follower. After we traded, I sent it to BH Springs Solution who had bought FN's vintage OEM HP parts when they decided to stop HP production (a decision they reversed a couple of years later). BHSS did their magic on it and refurbished it completely, and it's a dream to shoot. They asked me if I wanted to reblue it, but I declined. I like it just the way it is. It has character.
 

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I had a custom manual safety put on my Glock 19. Without a manual safety if you snag the trigger it will fire. It happens when you carry them or attempt to holster them, or if you are in the process of trying to load or unload the Glock without being extra careful. That is a headache and a real danger I will not put up with.

What people do not understand is that the Glock trigger safety was "not" designed to keep the gun from going off if you accidentally snag the trigger (and it doesn't) rather it was designed to keep the gun from firing if it was dropped and the passive firing pin safety failed. Glock has had numerous recalls way, way, to numerous to go into here, suffice to say Glock called them "upgrades" gambling that the average Glock owner would be too dumb to know that the term is synonymous with recall. For the most part Glock was right.

The other glaring design disaster of the Glock is that it has a totally unsafe takedown procedure. The slide must be forward and you must pull the trigger before removing the slide, that is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time when people forget to check the chamber before attempting a take down of the pistol.

Now contrast this to more safely designed pistols that require the slide to be locked back and open before takedown. A forgotten round in the chamber would be ejected out when the slide was pulled back.

Glocks have very weak striker energy (they flunked a German police test trial so the Germans just modified the requirements to get them to pass).

If you do not believe any of this take an empty cartridge case and seat a high primer (no gun powder, no bullet). Put it in the chamber and gently press the slide home. Now attempt to fire off the primer. It will not fire. Try this same test with a hammer fired gun or even a 1900's era striker fired gun and they both will fire the primer.

If the open striker channel (another design defect) is not kept squeaky clean or is over lubed you run the risk of a misfire, especially in handloads that may have a high primer not fully seated. To make it even worse the bottom of the glock grip has a gaping large hole in it which is an open highway to the underside of the slide and striker channel and dust and other contaminants can easily find their way into the striker channel.

Glock chambers were purposely made oversize to aid in feeding reliability but this results in lousy accuracy and the rear of the cartridge is not fully supported making a blow out of the cartridge case far more likely than with other designs. It's a major reason Glock warns not to use handloads in their firearms.

Glock trigger pulls are generally creepy which again is not an aid in accurate shooting.

Glock plasticky sights wear down with numerous holster presentations and of course snap off easily when the gun is dropped.

In conclusion be honest and ask yourself this question: "Would you carry a loaded revolver with the hammer cocked back even in a holster let alone just stuck in your waistband"? Any sane person would answer, "Heck no, do you think I am nuts!" Well then do you think carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is any different as far as an accidental discharge. The honest answer is no, there is no difference because both weapons will fire with the light snag of the trigger which fires them off instantaneously, you get no second chance.

There is an old axiom dating back thousands of years and it is "What people cannot see, they do not fear" that is why they think a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber (they cannot see the cocked back striker). Herr Glock originally was going to put a hammer on his new pistol but was told that no one in their right mind would buy it and they were right no one would have.

If you have a stock factory Glock carry it with the chamber empty otherwise get a manual safety installed if you want to carry it with the chamber loaded. I might add that the manual safety can be left in the "on" position when loading or unloading the Glock, which again will also prevent those other types of accidental discharges as well.

And the most laughable axiom is "The best safety is between your ears" the graveyards and/or wheelchairs are full of such people, its called "being a victim of Darwinism".
Your degree of misunderstanding is shocking.
 
My issue pistol for several years with the state was a Glock 19. I stopped counting the rounds after 19000. Never a problem. A very reliable pistol. I have owned several Glocks over the past many years and all have performed in a similar fashion.
I remember reading several years ago Chuck Taylor had a 17 with, I think, north of 100k rounds.
 
There are occasional complaints about the grip angle on Glocks, yet this angle is slightly less than that of the beloved Ruger 22 pistols or P.08. I never hear any complaints about them.

I think folks just like to have something to P & M about.

Grip angle can quickly be resolved with some training time at the range.

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Where did you ever hear such a ridiculous thing?
On-Line Where else.

I remember reading several years ago Chuck Taylor had a 17 with, I think, north of 100k rounds.
Possible I guess but whats the point?
I've got a Colt 1911 I inherited from my father that dates from somewhere between 1914 and 1917, that's as close as I've been able to date it. It still runs without issue but I don't beat on it any more.

Grip angle can quickly be resolved with some training time at the range.
It's easier than that. I bought one in the 22/45 style and the grip is perfect.
With it's 5" Bull Barrel and a little trigger tune it's damn near perfect without
that horrible Glock trigger feel
 
Yesterday, I carried my G26 on a ride with the Blue Knights. It made the trip riding in a LAG OWB holster. I don’t carry it as much as I should.
 
A lot of misleading claims here. It might mean more if you can provide some actual data other than your opinion.
I provided you with my actual tests. Naturally you rejected them with the simple wave of the hand. I challenged you to repeat my tests yourself which of course you obviously did not do because you were afraid to see the truth.
 
We are talking specifically about Glocks. Provide evidence supporting where one melted from being placed on a dashboard.

Waiting...
Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. I never said that happened to a Glock what I did way was I recently saw a youtube video of an FN (different manufacturer) that had its plasticky frame soften up and the owner squeezed together the grip on the bottom near the opening and the two halves went right together.
 
I provided you with my actual tests. Naturally you rejected them with the simple wave of the hand. I challenged you to repeat my tests yourself which of course you obviously did not do because you were afraid to see the truth.
Exactly. YOUR tests.

Your reply was a well thought out way to avoid the truth of the matter. Lots of spin. No facts. No truth.

You’ve been exposed.

Yet another so called expert that nobody can trust.
 
Wow, the Glock haters sure know all the design problems and eagerly espouse a plethora of issues to dissuade ownership of this unworthy and dangerous pistol. My initial thought of Glock in late 80's was negative because of plastic and grip angle. Shot 3gun for 27yrs using a 1911 then Sig 226 and finished with a Glock 17. Never ever a stoppage or malfunction with Glock. The haters reasons to me can be negated with safe handling practices and using the on board computer between your ears. Gotta wonder if haters speak from actual experience with this pistol or repeating the blather of armchair gurus? Glock started a revolution that continues...
I saw a news report some years ago of a girl that was in competition with a glock. She jammed the gun into her holster during a high stress match and the trigger caught on something, maybe her shirtail, maybe the holster, who knows, and the .40 cal Glock went off. The bullet went down through her leg from top to bottom and then took out part of her foot. She had 3 operations and will be a limping cripple for the rest of her life. A handgun with a manual safety or a decocker with a heavy double action pull or a single action gun with a manual safety or simply with the hammer down and this accident would never have happened.

Now I could If I wanted to give you at least a couple of pages of incidents where Glocks went off accidentally when both civilians and cops were handling them, some of the incidents resulted in death. I just read yesterday that Sig is being sued for their striker fired M320 causing the same type of accidents because some of their models do not have a manual safety with the obvious accidents then occuring.

People are often subject to stress, prescription medication, alcohol, being in a rush and not paying attention to what they are doing etc. etc. so it's ridiculous to make such statements that the best safety is between your years. If such baloney had any validity we would also not need safety lock brakes, backup safeties on lawnmowers, child proof medicine caps, safety bars on chainsaws that works during kickback etc. etc. etic.

Safeties save lives, not just on hand guns, but on all types of machinery. People make mistakes but making unsafe machinery only adds to accidents that should have probably never happened and probably would not have happened with more safely designed machinery. Did you know that some of the first self propelled lawn mowers (my dad owned one in the 1950's) would take off down the lawn all by themselves if you let go of the handles. Now tell me that was a good idea and needed no stop safety because the best safety was between your ears.

And one last tragic accident I feel I must menton and it involved a young mother shopping. Her toddler reached into her purse while shopping and pulled out a striker fired handgun with no manual safety and it went off and he shot her dead. I could give you other similar accidents with women who had their kids with them while carrying guns but by now I think you get the picture on how dangerous these striker fired guns are that have no manual safety. I could write a full page of such tragic incidents including many with cops who handle guns everyday.

I am not new to handguns I bought my first handgun at age 15 years old back in 1965 and I have seen many accidents with all types of firearms in the last 61 years but the striker fired guns with no manual safety have had by far the most avoidable and senseless accidents.

I might also add that FN in 1905 made their .25 acp handgun with only a grip safety, it lasted only 1 year before the amount of accidents they had with it forced FN in 1906 to put an additional manual safety on it. Too bad Glock did not learn from the long ago mistakes made by FN as Glock unfortunately repeated the same mistake.

Did you know Australia banned Glocks from being imported until they put a "factory installed" manual safety on their Glocks (which they did by the way) but Glock has never offered this factory installed manual safety to the American Market.
 
Wow, the Glock haters sure know all the design problems and eagerly espouse a plethora of issues to dissuade ownership of this unworthy and dangerous pistol. My initial thought of Glock in late 80's was negative because of plastic and grip angle. Shot 3gun for 27yrs using a 1911 then Sig 226 and finished with a Glock 17. Never ever a stoppage or malfunction with Glock. The haters reasons to me can be negated with safe handling practices and using the on board computer between your ears. Gotta wonder if haters speak from actual experience with this pistol or repeating the blather of armchair gurus? Glock started a revolution that continues...
 
They sure did, with aggressive marketing and "killer" deals for relatively underfunded agencies. I hear they are mostly good guns but I'll keep my wallet in my pocket, thank you. Plastic pistols do not interest me.
 
Exactly. YOUR tests.

Your reply was a well thought out way to avoid the truth of the matter. Lots of spin. No facts. No truth.

You’ve been exposed.

Yet another so called expert that nobody can trust.
Quit trying to squirm out of the truth. You did not do the tests yourself yet you are screaming, "do not confuse me with the facts as it goes against my wrongly preconceived notions".

It's you who are doing the spinning by screaming I will not test because then I would have to admit to the truth.

And by the way all of the accidents I reported on were on the televised news, or on Youtube and/or in print in some of the major newspapers, and even in some of the gun magazines like the original "Gun Week" weekly newspaper that ran scathing attacks on the Glock and their high accident rate. As I said before I only gave a few stories as I could have written a full page of such accidents.

Once more I ask you personally "Would you carry a revolver with the hammer cocked back and just stuff it in your waistband with no holster? The truthful answer is "of course you would not" so why claim that the Glock would be any less unsafe if carried that way.

Remember the Black famous Athlete , Plaxico Burress
that went out to lunch in New York and sat down with a glock in his waistband, no holster of course, as he trusted the ridiculous trigger safety (that does not work) and when he shifted his weight while sitting and eating the glock went off and he shot himself.


Or perhaps you should ask the Cop in Ohio who was on the news and the news showed a security video when he was on an elevator with his wife. He reached into his pocket to pull out a striker fired glock to put it into his other coat pocket and he snagged the trigger and it fired off. The bullet bounced off the floor of the elevator and struck his wife. Again a handgun with a long hard double action pull or a handgun with a manual safety would not have gone off so easily and probably not gone off at all.

Of course you will ignore all these stories with the simple wave of the hand and pages and pages of similar stories because it does not fit your erroneous beliefs.

And please quit calling me a Glock hater. I own several but would never carry one without a manual safety and if it had no manual safety I would carry it with an empty chamber.

I might add even the Israeli army when they were issued single action FN High Powers carried them with the chamber empty and the U.S. Army ruled that when soldiers carried the 1911 even though it had a grip safety and manual safety that they carry the 1911 with the chamber empty. There is a "reason" for all of these rules, they save lives.
 
My ex-leo G21 and my Spectre longslide G21 are range toys. Don’t cc either. I do prefer an external safety on a semi. My current cc is a Colt Mustang ltwt pocket carry. I have shot the Spectre build in three 2gun matches so far and it is very accurate, easy recoiling and while blocky comfortable for me to shoot. And adding the mag funnel and dust cover weight has helped.
 
Nice! I like the grip areas better than the slide.
I switched from a 686 to G17 for duty carry many years ago (1991) when a fellow Border Patrol Agent showed me the value of 17 + 1 over six one day. I have a been a Glock man since. Recently, I have been updating my Glocks with Holosun 507 red dot sights. Misses of any kind are a thing of the past.
I am confident that the 6+1 rounds in my Glock 42 will extricate me from any serious social difficulty that is likely to find me.
Requirements for law-enforcement personnel and private citizens are quite different in most ways. As a private citizen I don’t need to carry a 15 or 17 round magazine gun so I am ready to provide covering fire for someone else, or to shoot it out with multiple members of a drug cartel. I am not expected to intervene in a bank robbery or hostage situation.
 
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