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I have a part time department manager job interview coming up. It's for the evening. So I can probably make it work after my real job if I can get it. My current boss is hanging on to his position now. But sooner or later he will have to step down and reduce himself for part time because of his responsibilities outside of work. It's becoming increasingly apparent that I will not get the promotion. My supervisor is extremely encouraging to me and I think he is trying to build me up for it. But I'm stuck in a paradox. I didn't exactly have opportunities for promotions through most of my adult life. I had no plans to be working at this post as long as I have. My original plan was to use this job as a stepping stone to something better. But life has a funny way to subvert your plans. I got turned down for promotion. Because of my lack of management experience. But I need the management job to get the experience. Honestly it was for the best. I wasn't ready for that kind of responsibility and leadership. And my boss now is the best I could have asked for. Seriously, I couldn't have asked for a better boss. I'm proud to work for him. I could only hope to be like him.

But instead of being angry knowing I'm going to be passed over again. I decided to hunt down a manager position outside of my job to get me some experience to better qualify for it. I don't think it's really going to help that much. But at least I can go down swinging Rocky style. It's a department manager position. About 4 hours in the evening. I will have time to get home and get some sleep. The money will help out to.
 
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In my experience, often the best way to get a promotion is to change jobs. Once i got hired back six months later by the company I'd left. Oh, and a 25% raise over my previous salary..

Robert

I'm not exactly in a position in life to gamble on that. When I came back from FMLA I got a massive raise. I will take a pay cut leaving. I don't really know how to explain what kind of position I'm in really. Other than I'm stuck in a loop.
 
Sode work is a good idea. I've done plenty of it. I hope things work out in your favor.

Robert

Sorry if I came off as complaining in the original post. I'm actually pretty confident I will the part time job. I'm going to get a friend to do a mock interview with me tomorrow. My coworker that's likely going to get the promotion is actually a really good person and I will be happy to work for him.

The promotion will help me escape this loop I'm in if I get it. The side job will help me too. The money can help with my car. Or help me get a better daily driver. It's a good thing i been investing in new clothes.
 
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I worked for the same company for just over 25 years. I had gone as high as I could. And I was getting burned out.

I moved on . Took a small pay cut. But now just under three years later I just got promoted and I'm making seven dollars an hour more.

I don't know your situation, but think long term if you can.
 
I will likely keep the part time job if I do get the promotion for the extra money. If I do get the promotion I'm trying to get. I will work it for a year or two and move on. The money will help me with my plans to get out of this loop I'm in.
The car accident last year left me aimless. It killed my plans I had and left me in a weird position I can't really get out of. Now this has been a pretty good year for me so far. I had a lot of fun. But I'm still stuck. I'm making to much to quit. I live close to my job. So gas prices do not bother me to much. If I get a job that pays me more will go on gas and wear and tare on a already 20+ year old car. But I'm not making enough money to buy a new truck or to move.
I do have long term goals in life that leadership experience will help me with. I just don't know how to get there or what my next step should be. I was m bless though
 
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I have a part time department manager job interview coming up. It's for the evening. So I can probably make it work after my real job if I can get it. My current boss is hanging on to his position now. But sooner or later he will have to step down and reduce himself for part time because of his responsibilities outside of work. It's becoming increasingly apparent that I will not get the promotion. My supervisor is extremely encouraging to me and I think he is trying to build me up for it. But I'm stuck in a paradox. I didn't exactly have opportunities for promotions through most of my adult life. I had no plans to be working at this post as long as I have. My original plan was to use this job as a stepping stone to something better. But life has a funny way to subvert your plans. I got turned down for promotion. Because of my lack of management experience. But I need the management job to get the experience. Honestly it was for the best. I wasn't ready for that kind of responsibility and leadership. And my boss now is the best I could have asked for. Seriously, I couldn't have asked for a better boss. I'm proud to work for him. I could only hope to be like him.

But instead of being angry knowing I'm going to be passed over again. I decided to hunt down a manager position outside of my job to get me some experience to better qualify for it. I don't think it's really going to help that much. But at least I can go down swinging Rocky style. It's a department manager position. About 4 hours in the evening. I will have time to get home and get some sleep. The money will help out to.

You might not like what you wish for. Here's my story.

In 1984 I commenced work in a local authority (city) traffic enforcement department. I was told on graduating that I should expect promotion to Sergeant in 6 years.

Five years later, after more than 18 months of regular relieving sergeant duties on the night shift, our local authority department was merged with the national (government) road policing department. Upon the merger I was told I would have to wait at least another 4 years before I was considered eligible for promotion. Within two years I transferred to a small country station for the lifestyle.

Three years after the merger we were merged with general police. promotion was based on an examination system. By then I was content with the lifestyle and only decided to study for promotion after a few more years on a dare (somebody told me to my face I wouldn't pass the exams. I have never gotten below a C+ in any exam in my life).

During the second year of study I transferred again, to a smaller town where I was the senior member of three. After a year or so I went back to my promotional studies, just to get them finished.

After six years in a three and then one person station, I was persuaded by my peers to apply for a sergeant position in a nearby 24 hour town. They wanted stability and someone who knew the system. For 6 years I ran a 24 hour section of staff, and for two of those years I oversaw another section that did not have a sergeant (four sergeants for five sections). My section was the highest performing and the other one I supervised was not far behind.

During my third year as a Sergeant a new Senior Sergeant (lieutenant level) arrived to run the station. He had a reputation for always having one staff member he was "performance managing" out of his unit. After getting rid of one older sergeant who had reached the previous retirement age (disestablished after a human rights law came into effect) that he thought was too old for the job, he turned his attention to me as he believed former road policing staff did not have what it took to be a general policing supervisor. This was despite 14 years of my then 21 years service having been in general policing.

For three years he made my life hell. My staff were still the highest performing section in the station, but every decision I made was the "wrong one". Eventually, after two serious assaults that along with my "performance management" had seriously dented my confidence, I decided I didn't need the stress so I negotiated a transfer at a lower rank back to road policing. For the first two years I had to travel 45 minutes (just over 40 miles) to another area, then I got transferred to Highway Patrol where I had my own allocated car and started/finished work from a near home station (a 6 minute commute on foot).

The last 12 years have been the most relaxing of my now 39 years plus career. For the first five years or so I would get regular phone calls from my staff with questions their new sergeants could not answer. Two of them made good sergeants themselves in my old station. The Senior Sergeant ended up resigning one step ahead of dismissal on a code of conduct matter.

I long ago accepted that i did not need the promotion to justify my existence. I actually earn more than a sergeant 5-7 years in the position due to my length of service, and even more than a senior sergeant with 2 years service in the rank. And no stress.

I have three years before I reach retirement age, and if I pass the fitness test that year I can stay on another two years, double dipping my salary plus receiving national superannuation payments (social security).

I liked the rank, but in the end I didn't need it. I really like the lifestyle I now have.
 
Money chasing you

My recommendation for promotion is to do your job well and do as much of your bosses job simultaneously. Because you are doing more than you are paid for, instead of you chasing the money, the money is chasing you! Said another way, start acting like the boss. Be careful not to be seen as threatening.
 
My recommendation for promotion is to do your job well and do as much of your bosses job simultaneously. Because you are doing more than you are paid for, instead of you chasing the money, the money is chasing you! Said another way, start acting like the boss. Be careful not to be seen as threatening.

The problem is the management gets used to you "over performing" and expects it from you. If you let up, then they wonder why. And you still don't get promoted.
 
Sorry if I came off as complaining in the original post. I'm actually pretty confident I will the part time job. I'm going to get a friend to do a mock interview with me tomorrow. My coworker that's likely going to get the promotion is actually a really good person and I will be happy to work for him.

The promotion will help me escape this loop I'm in if I get it. The side job will help me too. The money can help with my car. Or help me get a better daily driver. It's a good thing i been investing in new clothes.

Good luck my friend. Sell yourself well.

But please don't make the same mistake I made. I stayed at my last job out of loyalty. But life throws curves routinely.

The owner at the time passed away unexpectedly. And all the promises went with him. His son took over and is currently driving the business into the ground.

I should have made a change at least 10 years ago.

If you're near a military installation check into federal service. The pay is great and the benefits are even better.

USA Jobs Dot Gov
 
Go for the p/t Managerial job!
Get it under control and then start a f/t job search. Contact head hunters and scour the ads/puter' listings.
Try to get the job that will outshine both the current f/t and p/t employment.
 
Whatever you do, do not take on any additional financial responsibilities for at least two years.
Do not get married.
Do not have any kids. ( You might have to give up even dating until you get your finances straightened out and lay in a cash reserve emergency fund ).
DO NOT BUY A NEW VEHICLE !!! No matter how good a deal it is. If you have to get something, get one several years old and spend the equivalent of a couple of monthly payments on a brand new one on the new-to-you-one, doing a little preventive maintenance. Insurance will be cheaper too.
 
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Although it's scary, compared to staying with the same company, I suspect your best opportunity for career advancement is with a company you don't even know yet.

Coming up from the ranks feels safer than moving companies and entering their workforce. Often, that new company position greater opportunities for advancement.
 
This reminds me of one of my favorite Chesterton quotes:
"The American will work until he is too tired to play. Then he will thank the Devil, his master, that he is still donkey enough to die in the harness."
 
Good luck to you and I applaud you for your tenacity. There is a book you might consider reading. It is around 10 bucks, or you might be able to get it at your local library. The title is Becoming the Obvious Choice by Dave Cottrell. I read it many years ago and it helped me prepare for internal opportunities. You interview for your next job everyday you go to work.

Hope this helps. Getting promoted to your first leadership position seems to be the toughest step due to the catch 22 you describe in your original post. Someone will have to take a chance on you. If you don't have a mentor in the organization, get one.
 
The problem is the management gets used to you "over performing" and expects it from you. If you let up, then they wonder why. And you still don't get promoted.

I believe that you basically get paid for the amount of responsibility you have. By freely accepting more responsibility, even when not being paid for it, you gain trust and respect. If not, you are likely working for the wrong company. Just my thoughts.

Tom H.
 
This reminds me of one of my favorite Chesterton quotes:
"The American will work until he is too tired to play. Then he will thank the Devil, his master, that he is still donkey enough to die in the harness."

Thanks for that. I'm hoping this won't take to much of my time. I'm struggling to keep the weight off and getting back into shape since my car accident last year. I feel like I'm pulling an anchor some days. So I plan to join a gym. My current plan is to join a gym near where ever my side job is. I can get off and do my workout. Then head home. I plan to use some of the extra money on my car and target practice.

As TXBryan said, go for it. I don't know your age or career field but you seem to be motivated and ambitious. Those are traits employers look for. Remember the old saying you only regret the things you DONT do.

I'm still young. 31. But I'm having problems competing with with younger people. It's frustrating how many people under 26 already had management experience on top of college education. I know a 17 year old girl that goes to my sister church with management experience. She assistant manager at a local grocery store. I'm a security officer. I started when I left Walmart back in 2017 when I was 25. I tried to get into law enforcement more than once before that. I was originally planning on just using it as a stepping stone for something better. But life has a bizarre way of subverting your plans.

I believe that you basically get paid for the amount of responsibility you have. By freely accepting more responsibility, even when not being paid for it, you gain trust and respect. If not, you are likely working for the wrong company. Just my thoughts.

Tom H.

Interesting enough that's been true for me. Our group was the lowest paid at my post. After years of hard work… and Covid. we turn our reputation around and earned several huge raises. I tell new hires don't dare make us look stupid or useless. We now make over average in my area.

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I know some people think little of private security. But y'all won't believe some of the bizarre adventures I been on on my job. I can literally write a book about some of the things that happened. There was one night that felt like a action movie. As frustrating as it is for not wanting to be here at this point of my life. I am thankful to get to see and do what I did. Because I wouldn't have got to otherwise. I told myself when I first got hired that if I can't handle this job then I shouldn't dare to try something more difficult.
 
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Thanks for that. I'm hoping this won't take to much of my time. I'm struggling to keep the weight off and getting back into shape since my car accident last year. I feel like I'm pulling an anchor some days. So I plan to join a gym. My current plan is to join a gym near where ever my side job is. I can get off and do my workout. Then head home. I plan to use some of the extra money on my car and target practice.



I'm still young. 31. But I'm having problems competing with with younger people. It's frustrating how many people under 26 already had management experience on top of college education. I know a 17 year old girl that goes to my sister church with management experience. She assistant manager at a local grocery store. I'm a security officer. I started when I left Walmart back in 2017 when I was 25. I tried to get into law enforcement more than once before that. I was originally planning on just using it as a stepping stone for something better. But life has a bizarre way of subverting your plans.



Interesting enough that's been true for me. Our group was the lowest paid at my post. After years of hard work… and Covid. we turn our reputation around and earned several huge raises. I tell new hires don't dare make us look stupid or useless. We now make over average in my area.

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I know some people think little of private security. But y'all won't believe some of the bizarre adventures I been on on my job. I can literally write a book about some of the things that happened. There was one night that felt like a action movie. As frustrating as it is for not wanting to be here at this point of my life. I am thankful to get to see and do what I did. Because I wouldn't have got to otherwise. I told myself when I first got hired that if I can't handle this job then I shouldn't dare to try something more difficult.

It can be extremely difficult working for a small business. You would be much better off working for a city, county, state, or federal government.

Many military installations have civilian guards. You would be a government employee. The pay may not start well but the benefits are certainly worth it. Retirement, health care, working conditions are normally better. The pay will come along.

The DOD is the country's largest employer. They negotiate contracts with health care providers. I'm paying a fraction of what I used to for health, dental, and vision. And if you stay employed for at least 5 years, you can keep the same plan at the same price when you retire.

And you'll always have job security.

It's time to consider these things at your age. The next twenty years will go by fast.
 
Good luck to you.


I did 42 years in the Air Force; 25 wearing the uniform and 17 as a civil servant. Social Security, AF retirement and civil service retirement has blessed me with a good retirement income (all tied to cost of living increases), medicare and tricare
 
This thread kind of reminds me of an old Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins song, There'll Be Some Changes Made:

There'll be a change in the weather
And a change in the scene
How is that?
I'm gonna start wearin' leather
And change my routine
I'll wear dark glasses maybe a toupee
I'll get down and boogie and become risqué
I'll start wearin' make-up like Jackson and Prince
You'll see me ridin' in my Mercedes Benz
Nobody wants you when you just play guitar
There'll be some changes made tomorrow
There'll be some changes made

Y'know Chet, you're never gonna get
To play that rock & roll
Why is that?
You're kinda country, a little bit old?
That hurts
But your money for nothin'
And your chicks for free
Well, them groupie girls
Ain't what they're cracked up to be
Well, not all of them anyway
Well, I'd really like to find out
For myself, don't you know
I've had a kind of quiet life
Down here on music row

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZfB8NFAvRY[/ame]

Note especially the part about "They ain't what theyr're cracked up to be" which is true for most managerial jobs.
 

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