I's All In The Tactics

[steelslaver]

Most ranchers and farmers I know got rifles and know how to use them. Whole different ball game in the wide open spaces of MT. Being in somebody's barnbyard at 0 dark 30 is not a good plan and the sheriff wouldn't bother arresting a rancher for shooting someone doing so. You go on somebody's place you best to right to the door and knock

 

[YogiBear]

Aloha,

Well for the next several weeks strangers parking at any hour will Not be a problem.

We will be having a very high profile family for neighbors less than a mile away as the mynah bird flies.

Any car parked will most likely have minimum of 2 persons with lots of firepower.

Not only that but, all refuse containers get Safety Checked by dogs.

Yep, we live on the POTUS's daily motorcade route when he goes places.

ALL cars parked on his route get Security checked a minimum of once a day.

A benefite of having the POTUS living in our neighborhood.

 

[OldeTSgt]

I live way out in the country 1/2 the year - 45 min for LEO is a phenomenal response - 3 hoodlums will be confronted with a long rifle in front of my place - with my dog too.

Here in Texas if someone is in front of my house they are approximately 100 yds inside my property - response here is better probably 10-15 min. - I would still confront them - because in order to get there they would have to go over my cattle guard/fence and roll up to a kennel of 30 dogs - anyone just sitting in front of my house is up to no good.

Last year some ******* (the most polite word I could use) drove around to one of my corrals and shot my yearling palomino in the head - We were not there that night - this horse was more than just a little filly to me - she was really instrumental in me returning to health and vigor after another horse wreck 2 yrs ago almost ended me - no suspects no real evidence - just a dead horse lying in corral- so now anyone we see on our farm/kennel is talked too and we are always armed

 

[federali]

Rural Areas

Posters living on remote farms or where the police response time could be more than an hour, have a completely different set of circumstances to manage than those of us living where the police response can be under a minute.

It is my understanding that deadly force may not be used to prevent a property crime with the exception of arson of an occupied dwelling (at least in NYS). I'm not a lawyer. Those who feel they could use deadly force to prevent theft or vandalism should consult with a lawyer.

Likewise, if you have managed to acquire some real enemies (perhaps a dalliance with a married woman?) could easily be lured into a trap once you leave the relative safety of your home.

 

[66snub]

I worked a stabbing the last day of scheduled work this week. The situation was, at 2:15 am, a man went into the parking lot to check why the dome light of his wife's car was illuminated.

He went outside unarmed, with only a flashlight. He found two "mis-directed youts" breaking into cars in the parking lot, and when he lit them up with his flashlight, they fled. When this happened, he gave chase, and tackled one. A fight ensued, and during the course of this, he was stabbed repeatedly with a screwdriver. During the scuffle, the victim dropped his flashlight, and the other suspect whom he wasn't actively fighting with, picked it up and proceeded to strike him in the head with it repeatedly.

The victim subsequently blacked-out and the two suspects continued to assault him, while he was still unconscious. They fled from the scene and the subsequent K-9 track came up empty after about a block. They have not been caught or identified.

Now, I would not have endorsed him going into the parking lot with a firearm either, but it would definitely have been better than just taking a flashlight.

 

[rog8732]

Aloha,

Well for the next several weeks strangers parking at any hour will Not be a problem.

We will be having a very high profile family for neighbors less than a mile away as the mynah bird flies.

Any car parked will most likely have minimum of 2 persons with lots of firepower.

Not only that but, all refuse containers get Safety Checked by dogs.

Yep, we live on the POTUS's daily motorcade route when he goes places.

ALL cars parked on his route get Security checked a minimum of once a day.

A benefite of having the POTUS living in our neighborhood.

Glad you are happy with that arrangement Yogi.
I am 75 years old May next; and have been hoping to see your great region since I strolled through my first Nat. Geo. picture book many decades ago...... They say it is a wonder to behold.

Now if I had the estimated 7 million taxpayer bucks for that particular excursion you mention at my disposal, I would head on over.

 

[YogiBear]

Aloha,

OT note

rog8732, Sad to say the Hawaii of the Nat Geo that hooked you is long gone.

The Best scenic views of Hawaii can be seen on the TV show, "Hawaii 5-0"

or any of the "Jurassic Park" movies.

 

[Duckford]

Not so much the use of lethal force in situations of protecting property in almost all cases, but rather that, as suggested by others, if one has to confront burglars, vandals, or arsonists, on their own property to defend their property, they should be armed. If someone is trying to get into your shop, you shouldn't be picking them off at 100 yards in the dark. But if you must protect your property, you would be a fool not to be armed in case the potential criminals tend to be a bit violent. Even if all you want to do in your heart of hearts is to get their license plate number, THEY might make the decision to silence witnesses, sometimes a bit more permanently than others.

In ND, you can use force to defend property, not lethal force. Presenting arms in self defense, or in defense of property is force. Shooting is lethal force. Greeting people on your property while carrying a gun is no problem, pointing a weapon at a burglar is legal, but not shooting them. Unless, of course, things go south, and you have no choice, and it goes from defense of property to defense of life and limb.

Every man has to not only know the law, but also know his own personal values and what he wants to risk, what is the value of these things at stake. Its the reason why thinking about these things is important, because its better to think now than do your "thinking" in an adrenaline rush when it might actually happen.

Urban dwellers have better options. But, as in the case of the headlamp investigation noted in this thread, it brings up the other interesting question of when are things so minor, trivial, that you don't call the police? When is there i minor situation where someone might feel the need to look into something, investigate it themselves, but not bother the police? When and where is it excessive to call 911 for every little bump in the night? When should things be left alone, handled by yourself, and called in?

Also, the duty to retreat isn't just a good legal aspect, it is smart tactics, unarmed or armed. If the man hadn't chased the suspects, he would have avoided a terrible physical assault. When is tackling, and physical restraint of a suspect, a good idea, and when is it best left to the movies?

 

[steelslaver]

Thing is around here a ranch yard (the immediate area around house barn equip sheds is regarded about the same as a city dwellers living room. Matter of perspective you have 50' street to door, he has a mile. In. Town know body has the right to go 60'. In the country its smile and 100 yds. I am not saying they will shoot you, butmight well aim and ask questions. Best answer or drive